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leppert
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| Posted 7/1/2005 10:25 PM (GMT -5) |   | Giving up all carbos in not very practical nor necessary.
There are a number of things one can do quite inexpensively and effectively. I believe a good multiple would be first and then extra chromium. One also needs to increase their physical activity (exercise) and watch the types of fats eaten. Coconut oil, olive oil and other natural fats such as organic butter etc.. No hydrogenated or trans fats or vegetable margarines or oils. You may also want to do a quick metabolic typing quiz on Dr. Mercola's web site and print out he results. Use it as a guide. www.mercola.com
In another health forum there has been a great deal of discussion about diabetes. I would recommend that you go take a look and do a search under "diabetes". http://www.healthiertalk.com/index.php | | Back to Top | | |
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lei.talk
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| Posted 7/2/2005 9:53 AM (GMT -5) | |
leppertGiving up all carbos in not very practical
how so?
some persons give-up carbohydrates
not for such a vain and elective goal
as weight-loss
but to avoid the frequent injections
and many health complications
(including repetitive amputation, coma and death)
Giving up all carbos in not very practical?
if i must choose between
ceasing deleterious behavior
or continuing the behavior
and adding to it a layer of extensive
(and ultimately unsuccessful) ameliorative behavior
- i would choose to cease the deleterious behavior.
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Dave92
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| Posted 7/4/2005 8:12 PM (GMT -5) | | |
I agree. Giving up all carbs is not healthy or practical. I speak from practical experience and experimentation. I went on a sustained long term carb restricted diet for around a year (30 g of carbs or less), and although I did lose weight (not my primary objective) and my blood pressure and food allergies went way (my primary objective), my body eventually went into a catabolic state. Liver and kidney blood work indicated both organs were under stress. Kidney stress for a diabetic can be catastrophic. This type of diet is not feasible or healthy. LEF has some very good natural protocols for dealing with diabetes. I do not know first hand how effective they are for full blown diabetes, but I can state that they do help for metabolic syndrome/prediabetic health states and insulin resistant metabolic states.
As far as diet, I recommend avoiding all processed foods. Wide variety of vegetables. I can indulge in lots of fruit. This may be an issue for diabetics. Remember that the sugar in fruit is, in fact, absorbed much less readily than the sugars found in processed foods. The sugar is different, and processed foods do not have the fiber that fruits have to slow the sugar absorption. This is what I have found, personally. I cannot ingest large amounts of processed sugar, but I can have plenty of fruit. Also, plenty of chicken, fish, and fats in the form of omega 3s and omega 9s.
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zorba990
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| Posted 7/4/2005 8:14 PM (GMT -5) | | IANAD. But let me tell you about two unconventional things.
First, let me make it clear that I am not giving you any medical advice. I am going to state what I would do if I had such a condition. (This is over and above the standard LEF recommendations for supplements).
1. EM. Check out Vinny Pinto's pages on this http://www.eminfo.info/variancehuman2.html
"EM and Disease Treatment in Japan and Elsewhere
During at least the latter part of 2002, Dr. Higa has been reporting in various media articles and papers that he and one of more medical clinics in Japan (and perhaps elsewhere) had good success in using certain forms of EM and EM-X to heal and reverse chronic diseases in humans. Specifically, press releases had claimed, in articles reproduced on the web, that the administration of various forms of EM and EM-X to patients in Japan had at times successfully reversed diseases such as cancer and diabetes in humans within 3 months. "
2. Stimulation of the pancreas/spleen directly with an infrared laser. Some systems are more expensive than others. http://www.theralaser.com is good for horses and then what you do with it after you purchase it for your horse is your own business. I would try 3-5 minutes 3 times a week and I would carefully monitor my own blood sugar if I were trying such an experiment.
When embarking on any program that makes a radical shift in your diet/lifestyle to
combat health issues, it makes sense to try and work with a qualified health practitioner to make sure they know what you are doing. I would monitor my blood sugar often to make adjustments as needed and to be safe.
Additionally, it makes sense to me to achieve a calm state of mind, and in this regard meditation/yoga/egocsue/biofeedback/HRV monitoring/etc may be helpful.
Good luck and don't forget to read the LEF site for supplement recommendations and other things to try! | | Back to Top | | |
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lei.talk
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| Posted 7/5/2005 6:52 PM (GMT -5) | |
Dave92
congratulations on your success. your accomplishments are rare.
I speak from practical experience and experimentation. I went on a sustained long term carb restricted diet for around a year (30 g of carbs or less), and although I did lose weight (not my primary objective) and my blood pressure and food allergies went way (my primary objective)...This type of diet is not feasible or healthy. in fact the diet did make you healthier and the same diet would have prevented those health problems from developing.
my body eventually went into a catabolic state. which indicates an insufficient supply of high-quality proteins and fats (glucogenesis).
Liver and kidney blood work indicated both organs were under stress. which indicates insufficient dietary water (assuming sufficient high-quality proteins and fats and per-label-use of life extension mix tablets).
Kidney stress for a diabetic can be catastrophic. if you are referring to diabetics that have degenerated past the inability to process glucose - to the point of not being able to handle even ketones: i know of no natural solution to that predicament. avoiding carbohydrates is the simplest way to avoid that predicament.
Remember that the sugar in fruit is, in fact, absorbed much less readily...no.
The sugar is different...yes, indeed: it is turned to fat by the liver before one's pancreas even has a chance at other sugars. there is even a special vein for this process. shunts it directly to the liver. then, the fats are converted to glucose as your body needs it (none of that glucose>insulin>glucose roller-coaster effect).
exclude it from the diet of any one
interested in life-extension
and, certainly, any one of compromised health.
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Chad Board
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|  Posted 8/3/2005 12:01 PM (GMT -5) | | |
Hey short and sassy,
I can recommend two products for diabetes.
The first product is ProArgi9 from Synergy Worldwide. L-arginine is a fantastic product for diabetes purposes. ProArgi9 is low glycemic. I know a woman who has stabilized her blood sugar significantly and was able to go off of her two medications. There is no guarantee of course, but it has been very helpful for my friend. You can check it out at www.total-wellness-group.com.
If you want to take a monthly supplement, I recommend VitaPak from Synergy Worldwide. I love how complete their supplement is. It has so many antioxidants, phytonutrients, and bioflavinoids. It is amazing. You can use the same website as above.
Thanks,
Chad
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lei.talk
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| Posted 8/3/2005 7:14 PM (GMT -5) | |
You MUST...avoid fat or rich cholesterol food.
why?
physiology indicates lipids as a preferred energy-source
for those that can not transform carbo-hydrates to lipids
(which they would, later, use as an energy-source).
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Dave92
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| Posted 8/15/2005 6:02 PM (GMT -5) | | hi Lei,
thx. It took quite a while to control my particular health issues through diet and supplements. I am currently completely prescription drug free. Blood pressure has normalized to around 115/70.
which indicates an insufficient supply of high-quality proteins and fats (glucogenesis).
I disagree Lei. I had more than enough very high quality fish and chicken (and some red meat) in my diet at the time. I also supplemented (and currently still supplement) with a very high quality fish oil (EPA/DHA). The catabolic state did not reside until I increased the amount of carbs substantially. I am only speaking of my personal experiences, and am not making any generalized statements to contradict your statement above. I used myself as a "lab rat" for around a year, and I can only state that no matter how much high quality protein I ingested, the catabolic state did not reside. I continued to lose quality muscle tone during this time. Muscle energy was quite low. I began to feel very weak at the 6 month point.
if you are referring to diabetics that have degenerated past the inability to process glucose - to the point of not being able to handle even ketones: i know of no natural solution to that predicament. avoiding carbohydrates is the simplest way to avoid that predicament.
Lei, I am referring to the stress that a high protein diet, in general, will put on the kidney filtration process through protein metabolism. Once again, I am not making any generalized statements....I am simply speaking from experience. Blood creatinine and urea all dramatically increased to borderline high levels in my particular case. This was significant, because the increase coincided with the diet over the course of the later 6 months of the diet. I was also very well hydrated. I also encountered joint pain in my hands and back, possibly due to the increase in serum uric acid levels. This all subsided once I normalized carbohyrdate intake and normalized dietary meat intake. I am not diabetic, but these indicators and factors, if a consequence of the diet I was on, would not be good for any diabetic.
The sugar is different...yes, indeed: it is turned to fat by the liver before one's pancreas even has a chance at other sugars. there is even a special vein for this process. shunts it directly to the liver. then, the fats are converted to glucose as your body needs it (none of that glucose>insulin>glucose roller-coaster effect).
Lei, I did not want to delve into all of the details of fructose vs. glucose metabolism. The end result is that for an energy utilizing system, fructose will eventually be converted to glucose at a much slower rate over time (through the glycogen liver pathway). This combined with the significant amount of fiber in most fruits creates significant differences in the sugar spike and the amount of insulin that is released over time for an energy utilizing system for sugar (fructose or glucose) derived energy. All of this is well documented. If a diabetic is going to ingest any type of sugar directly in the form of carbs, fructose and high fiber fruit is preferable to processed foods laden with glucose and high fructose corn syrup (glucose+fructose). Once again, I found this to be true in my own experiences with serum glucose modulation. However, I am not diabetic. I was pre-diabetic, but I am no longer pre-diabetic. Non-fasting glucose (note: non-fasting) never exceeds the high 90s.
Many of my replies are merely based on my own experimentation on my own body under extreme diet changes. I am not making any medical generalizations. However, I really feel that anything but a well-rounded diet will be detrimental to the health of a pre-diabetic or diabetic person in the long-term.
Non-sugar laden carbs in great quantities (most vegetables, greens in particular) are indispensible to good health. | | Back to Top | | |
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lei.talk
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| Posted 8/16/2005 2:01 PM (GMT -5) | | |
i appreciate your civil, articulate
and well thought-out response.
we speak from antipodal empirical milieu.
my experiences and those of my clients
are the opposite of yours.
our experiences are, also, consistent
with what physiology would lead one to anticipate.
thank you
for putting so much effort in to your reply. | | Back to Top | | |
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JD Pintner
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| Posted 9/6/2005 12:41 PM (GMT -5) | | Dear Short and Sassy,
This is a month later than the last response I saw, but having just become a member, I thought I should share with you in part an article I read in Life Extension magazine for September 05 by William Faloon about magnesium, where it is stated that magnesium helps regulate blood sugar levels. Chromium picolinate is also helpful for the same function. Hope this helps.
JD Pintner | | Back to Top | | |
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