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magha
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Posted 5/31/2006 10:37 AM (GMT -5)

Ok guys FYI,

I haven't tried this yet for color but sounds interesting, for at least until we can get something going with these supplements. Its not really what I'm after but it might work from the outside.

http://www.nomoregray.com/hair_color.html

lad
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Posted 5/31/2006 12:27 PM (GMT -5)

Youthhair = generic Grecian Formula = lead acetate.

Obviously works, but most don't want to risk it, I suppose.

greybeard
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Posted 5/31/2006 3:15 PM (GMT -5)

magha said...
Ok guys FYI,

I haven't tried this yet for color but sounds interesting, for at least until we can get something going with these supplements. Its not really what I'm after but it might work from the outside.

http://www.nomoregray.com/hair_color.html

As already mentioned, this is a lead acetate based "progress" hair coloring solution like Grecian. A guy I work with has used this and he said he liked it better than Grecian. Personally I like Just For Men. One shade lighter for my beard (which is where the grey is)

http://science.howstuffworks.com/hair-coloring.htm

RAJ
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Posted 5/31/2006 5:09 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Everyone, I am a newbie. LEF is great. And, this is a great topic for discussion. I am digesting all of this. I have been asking some of these questions for years, finally some answers...thanks again. I will contribute once I read through ALL the posts.

RAJ

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judith wynhausen
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Posted 6/1/2006 10:22 AM (GMT -5)

I've come to love my grey hair--actually it is now turning more silver, and is quite beautiful.

magha
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Posted 6/1/2006 10:37 AM (GMT -5)

Hi guys,

here is some interesting info from a press release years ago. Zorba had also mentioned some about this before. Stem cells are associated with blood, bone marrow (i.e. hgb, hct, iron, etc.) and bone(i.e. vanadyl, boron, silica, cu, zi, flouride, cal, testosterone, estrogen, etc.). I think it not so much increasing the raw materials but the ability to utilze the raw materials (supplements).. Of course there is the 'all-overseeing' genetic factor, but things can be maximized.

What we need is to kick up all production to maximum potential. Vo2 max for blood parameters and mass for bone capacity. That way we utilize the additional raw materials. The supplements are only that, just taking them does little. But when the body is forced to use more of something, then we will have results other than what is now. Change is the product of doing something different than what we are used to. In my opinion it has to happen on the whole outwards, not by just taking in small parts in attempt to influence the whole.

March 20, 2003— The delicate interplay of two chemical signals coaxes stem cells into becoming hair follicles, according to new research by scientists at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at The Rockefeller University.

The research has implications for understanding hair growth and hair-follicle development, and it may also help explain how diverse structures, such as teeth and lungs, are formed or how some forms of skin cancer develop.

In an article published in the March 20, 2003, issue of the journal Nature, researchers led by HHMI investigator Elaine Fuchs at The Rockefeller University discovered that two signaling molecules, Wnt and noggin, influence immature stem cells to begin the process of forming hair follicles . . .

AussieDavid
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Posted 6/3/2006 10:46 AM (GMT -5)

I just wanted to update the forum on my progress (or lack thereof) in attempting to reverse my grey hair. My current routine is as follows:

1) 6 caps/day 'He shou Wu' (Am using Active Herb 'Hair Vive' brand).

2) 5ml/day Liquid Cats Claw (I get this from Macro Life in Sydney).

3) Approx 4g/day Tyrosine Powder (Currently using Musashi Brand, but just ordered LEF Tryosine powder).

4) Am taking daily multivitamin with 2 g copper in it. Have just ordered the LEF mix with 1 g copper, as well as some Twinlab copper caps, so will start those when my current mulitvitamins are all used (Am going to take the Twinlab copper 3 times/week).

5) I was using Gerovital GH3, but stopped because I was not sure of the authenticity of the product. I have just ordered some Twinlab DMAE H3.

6) I was just reading back through the forum and found references to Bimatoprost. I am going to see if I can track this down in Australia and apply it topically.

7) Have started using Trans-D-Tropin to stimulate HGH release (was previously using injectible HGH).

I posted a link to pics on an earlier post, showing 2 hairs that had grey tips, but dark regrowth. Since then, I have found an additional 2 hairs with exactly the same thing. I actually pulled them out and have kept them as some inspiration to keep going with this. Overall, not exactly great results. I am still totally grey on the sides and most of the top. It's hard to judge results, but I think that my greying has stabilised....ie, it doesn't seem to be getting any worse on the top. I actually think that I had a copper/zinc imbalance that caused me to go grey. My older brother has some grey, but nothing too noticeable. My younger brother (2 years younger) has no grey at all. Up until recently I had been taking zinc supplementation for the past 2-3 years, both through a multivitamin and additional bio zinc tablets. My greying has significantly advanced during that time. I have read some articles about how too much zinc can affect copper absorption and I think this may have happened to me.

I'll keep the forum updated on my progress.

AussieDavid
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Posted 6/3/2006 10:48 AM (GMT -5)

I was just doing a search on Bimatoprost and found a link to some patents in regards to using it for reversing grey hair.

This is the link:

http://www.freshpatents.com/Methods-for-the-treatment-of-gray-hair-using-cyclopentane-ene--heptan-en-oic-acid-amides-dt20050317ptan20050058614.php?type=description

If you scroll down to the bottom of the link, there are descriptions of how to make topical applications.

Can someone with pharmaceutical knowledge please give a professional opinion on this?

kiki
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Posted 6/3/2006 10:49 AM (GMT -5)

Hey everyone, just wanted to mention that I'm a new member to the forum and that this thread particularly interests me. Believe it or not I'm only 14 and already have premature grey hairs, quite a lot of them too. I too am very interested by the promise of reversing grey hairs - here's to hope it'll be achieved someday soon!

jennifer
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Posted 6/5/2006 9:53 AM (GMT -5)

hi ot03
re grey hair & your post in the LEF forum about copper been the answer...do u know how much & in what form 2 take it & also does LEF have this form of copper? thanks heaps. regards. jennifer

if LEF has any answers or anything 2 add 2 the above pls do.

larryj
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Posted 6/5/2006 9:54 AM (GMT -5)

- Genistein is a tyrosine kinase inhibitor.
- Genistein is found in beans.
- Asians consume a lot of soybeans.
- Gleevec is a tyrosine kinase inhibitor.
- Bean sprouts may have much more genistein than the beans.

- When the tyrosine kinase is blocked, does the tyrosinase, precursor to melanin, activity increase?

- Gleevec reversed the gray hair on the majority of its users.
- Some people consuming bean sprouts got back their original hair color, like Ann Wigmore (the wheatgrass lady).
- Asians seem to get gray hair much later in life compared to the Europeans.

- If Bao Saka's method works the way as he claims, is it possible to analyze that root for its tyrosine kinase inhibition?

Can someone comment/correct the above findings?

reverse
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Posted 6/5/2006 9:55 AM (GMT -5)

Interesting about the Bimatoprost.

aironeous
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Posted 6/5/2006 9:55 AM (GMT -5)

Go back to (i think it was) the first post I made on here if you want to see how to make a hair follicule out of "nothing." It is not really nothing but you know what I'm saying. I believe I posted a link on that post to a website something like clonemyhair.com. Why hasn't anyone mentioned the product that keeps getting airtime all over the TV channels here in L.A. called Scalpmed for balding?It has the whole thickening and nutrients and antiandrogens with growth factors parts in their kits.

Bhavani
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Posted 6/6/2006 9:38 AM (GMT -5)

Has anyone tried Reminex?

gotsomegray
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Posted 6/6/2006 10:31 AM (GMT -5)

Bhavani,

I have tried Reminex for just over two months now. I can't say that I have noticed any change yet but I'm going to keep with it for at least a few more months. I'm trying that along with Tyrosine so I'll keep you posted.

Bhavani
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Posted 6/7/2006 12:56 PM (GMT -5)

thanks for keeping me posted. I have been using fo-ti for almost 2 months as well. Nothing happening yet but I know it takes awhile. I thought the Reminex with the fo-ti and additional supplements might be a better synergy. I spoke to someone at the company and they said it does take up to 9 months to start seeing reversal of gray hair. Just a matter of patience , huh

b4its2late
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Posted 6/9/2006 3:28 PM (GMT -5)

Bimatoprost is available in the UK over the counter as eye drops. Surely this is a "topical" application?

greyhairvictim1
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Posted 6/9/2006 3:40 PM (GMT -5)

I stumbled upon this:

http://www.herbchina2000.com/therapies/LGH.shtml

The link gives statistics about the success rate and the herbs they use to prepare their product. They ask you a detail questions (just like the one you are asked when you visit any clininc) and then they prepare the formula based on your needs.

It is an expensive treatment though. Wonder if anyone wants to try this out.

gotsomegray
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Posted 6/9/2006 3:40 PM (GMT -5)

No problem. I am skeptical, but I may try Reminex for that long just so I can say for sure whether it worked for me. I'll consider it my contribution to the research on this forum. I'm still hoping to hear from more people on here who are trying Bao Saka's method.

Bhavani
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Posted 6/9/2006 6:10 PM (GMT -5)

gotsomegray,

I did some research on the rhizome that Bao Saka spoke of. I found a site to order the plant - I think it is the same variety - and I ordered several of them. I still have to do further research about harvesting the root but if I got lucky and found the right plant I'll let you know.

reverse
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Posted 6/11/2006 2:05 PM (GMT -5)

It's been over 5 weeks doing the Bao Saka experiment and nothing to report. No change in my hair color. Actually I have noticed more white hairs, especially on my neckline. Wish I could say this root has changed my hair color back to brown but as of now, doing the experiment for 5 weeks, nothing. I will say I believe I have the white krachai and not the black.

flowergirl
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Posted 6/11/2006 2:08 PM (GMT -5)

Jjust read the link that aussiedavid posted about the bimatoprost and patents.

http://www.freshpatents.com/Methods-for-the-treatment-of-gray-hair-using-cyclopentane-ene--heptan-en-oic-acid-amides-dt20050317ptan20050058614.php?type=description

This looks the most genuinely effective treatment there is for gray hair reversal. If its sold over the counter as eye drops, surely that would be a suitable solution to test on the hair. Is there anyone at LEF who could advise us on this?

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zorba990
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Posted 6/12/2006 8:50 AM (GMT -5)

I think you need more information on why Bimatoprost causes this effect. Bimatoprost is a synthetic prostaglandin. So this immediately makes me ask the question what natural prostaglandin is it possibly substituting for in its effect in treating glaucoma, and does the upregulation of that natural prostaglandin also effect pigmentation?

Now I am making an assumption here, and it may be that there is no natural prostaglandin that will effect pigmentation. But, in my experience, nearly every pharmaceutical has a more natural, safer, alternative that works nearly as well without the associated side effects that pharmaceuticals seem to always have.

Also, some prostaglandins have inflammatory effects e.g. E2 so the pathways need some clarification.

Can anyone draw a pathway from a prostaglandin to melanin synthesis, release, etc?

PASSABOX
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Posted 6/12/2006 8:53 AM (GMT -5)

Reverse,

I attached a picture and the features:

Black Kra - Shy or Black Ginseng (Kaempferia parviflora)
Features Black ginseng is a short-lived herbaceous plant with dark-purple, ginger- like underground stems called rhizomes. Round- or oval-shaped leaves sprout from the rhizome. Bracts enclose flower clusters in whose midst comprise dark - purple flowers.

BartSimpson:

Yeah, what I meant is "linhaca". I sent you a private message of the features in portuguese.

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island808
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Posted 6/12/2006 8:53 AM (GMT -5)

One of the most recent fad items appearing in some healthfood stores locally is Tibetan gojiberrys. These are packages of small red dried berries. They are claimed to have all sorts of health properties. A friend, who is 50 and just starting to get some gray hair, tells me she's been eating a small handful of these berries each day for a few weeks and already she's noticing her returning to it's original color.

Anyone else have knowledge about or experience with gojiberries?

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