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BartSimpson
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  		   Posted 6/23/2006 3:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
how about HGH, did anyone try besides AssuieDavid?

come on guys.
dont give up.

AssuieDavid, do you have an update for us?
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  		   Posted 6/26/2006 11:18 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
PABA stills hasn't worked for me, but i'm trying.

100 mg daily

almost 20 days on it.
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  		   Posted 6/26/2006 4:30 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I don't think 100 mg will do it. More like 500 mg.
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Now here is a link to a website that is interesting to say the least.  I don't know how much stock to put into this, but if it's legit then I'm sure restoring hair color would be one of the many benefits.

http://www.lifepath.stemtechhealth.com/

My initial impression is that it's questionable at best, but I like that the main cogs in the organization each have a picture and a bio on the website.  It's pretty expensive, but I may give it a try in the not so distant future.  I'd love to hear the opinions of some of you on this board.

 

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  		   Posted 6/29/2006 12:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"Now here is a link to a website that is interesting to say the least. I don't know how much stock to put into this, but if it's legit then I'm sure restoring hair color would be one of the many benefits.

http://www.lifepath.stemtechhealth.com/ "

the ingredients list on this product is simply blue-green algae, protein and vitamin a.

i've been taking blue green algae regularly for ages. it's great, but has never changed my hair color!! and its one of the highest forms of vitamin a that occurs naturally and is one of the richest forms of protein too, so their formula is a lil suspect. if you are thinkin of trying blue green algae i would recommend synnergy or e3 live.
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  		   Posted 6/29/2006 12:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
does any one know any thing
about the "active ingredient"?

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  		   Posted 6/29/2006 12:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gotsomegray, if you do try it, please keep us updated on this new product.
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Hilarious! And interesting timing too!

Celltech and their Blue Green Algae rears its ugly head yet again!

You are much better researching on PubMed than on the web in general.  At least there you can follow up on other studies and not be part of some multi level marketing scam.

Yes it is likely that nutrients can stimulate stem cells. But there is no reason to
take potentially toxic algae to do so.

http://forum.lef.org/default.aspx?f=35&m=26365
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  		   Posted 6/30/2006 4:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
This just appeared in FASEB: http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/9/1567?etoc
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Ack... so is StemTech and its StemEnhance just another scam? I sent them an e-mail a while back questioning if this could help reverse premature grey hair and recevied, "I have personally met people who have had gray hair reversal from taking StemEnhance. How did you find out about me?"

His answer was fairly brief. More bogus I guess? I can't see how these many people (Melancor, HairBorn, Reminex) can get away with such scams.
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  		   Posted 7/2/2006 6:51 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I began to take 500 mg of PABA and will do it for 2 months, as the Recouleur formula did not work
I´ll keep you posted.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2006 9:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
hi folks,
here is the latest link that I've found on the topic,
more to come later when more time...
 
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  		   Posted 7/3/2006 9:28 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Just wanted to update the forum on my lack of progress. Have not had any significant changes to my hair colour.
 
My routine includes:
 
He Shou Wu
Cats Claw
Tryosine
HGH stimulant (Trans-D-Tropin)
Copper Supplementation
 
Does anyone know a good international supplier of Twinlabs DMAE3? I had ordered some from the USA, but they tried to rip me off on the postage, so I cancelled.
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  		   Posted 7/3/2006 11:24 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Guys, take a look at this website about Glyconutrients:

http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsGlyconutrients.php
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:23 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nice find Passabox. I'm still probing specific research in relation to some glycos and how they may attenuate stem cell activity, if at all. (i.e) Most all vitamins carry claims by supplement distributors that dosing could cure everything from soup to nuts, but on the other hand we do not render them useless for their target functions within the whole. I still need more stem cell research and what makes these things tick.
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:23 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AussieDavid said...
Just wanted to update the forum on my lack of progress. Have not had any significant changes to my hair colour.



My routine includes:



He Shou Wu

Cats Claw

Tryosine

HGH stimulant (Trans-D-Tropin)

Copper Supplementation



Does anyone know a good international supplier of Twinlabs DMAE3? I had ordered some from the USA, but they tried to rip me off on the postage, so I cancelled.


about the HGH stimulant. I assume this stimulates release of HGH in the body.

I do not believe this will work to reverse grey hair generally. This is because there is abnormality that some humans may develop where the body produces huge amounts of HGH for periods of years. This abnormality can occur at stages where persons have mostly all grey hair. Or may develop grey hair during the period that they have this abnormality. In either situation humans who have this disease generally tend not to experience any additional hair pigmentation.
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"This just appeared in FASEB: http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/9/1567?etoc "

that's really interesting. it also says on that website that lipoic acid reversed the cardio oxidative stress in rats. there must be some form/combination of antioxidants that would reverse the oxidative stress in hair follicles which would retutn the hair to its natural color.

i had some hairs return to their natural color when i took a load of he sho wu, but i didnt keep up with it then as i was overdoing the supplements and it didnt feel good, so i just stopped it all. may go back to that again. but there has to be something that really kicks in and works...

anyone trying the bimatoprost or is the prospect of wearing out the melancytes too scary?!
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I was looking at previous posts and came across something interesting on page one. A member mentions dihydroxyl-5.6-indole as an agent that reverses gray hair but not yet commercially available. I did a yahoo search and found it mentioned on L'oreal's web page. I copied and pasted this from their hair color research page:

"The future: the role of precursors
After 30 years of painstaking work, L'Oréal laboratories have developed a precursor molecule for melanin, dihydroxyl-5.6-indole, which represents a major step forward in hair-color research. It enables the natural process of hair pigmentation to take place biologically, through a slow oxydization process. Given the right proportions, everyone can now get back their own natural color.

This new chemical may soon enable us to come up with a completely new way to enhance hair color or hide the gray, by developing products that today we can only dream about..."

I don't know when this was published and if any progress has been made but hopefully something will break out soon.
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hey has anyone tried rubbing colloidal copper on their scalp? Supposedly it brings back hair from white, it is sold in a decent non-profit driven holistic place I go to and they have leaflets saying this amongst one of the benefits of it. Supposedly Cleopatra used to use it on her skin as its good for wrinkles too. It is a bit pricey though but I see no one has mentioned it before as the search was blank, maybe you should give it a try rather than pumping yourself with chemicals just to get your hair colour back! lol
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:26 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AussieDavid said...
Just wanted to update the forum on my lack of progress. Have not had any significant changes to my hair colour.
 
My routine includes:
 
He Shou Wu
Cats Claw
Tryosine
HGH stimulant (Trans-D-Tropin)
Copper Supplementation
 
Does anyone know a good international supplier of Twinlabs DMAE3? I had ordered some from the USA, but they tried to rip me off on the postage, so I cancelled.
Suggestions:
1. Instead of just He Shou Wu, take Shou Wu Jit the original fermented forumla, comes in an I dream of Genie type bottle at the Chinese herb store (beware of potential metal toxicity with some brands).
2. Source of DMAE-H3 is http://www.beyond-a-century.com/ I think it's $8.00.  I am currently taking a double dose with no issues (worked up to it over 6 months or so).
3. Are you taking a multinutrient like LE Mix?  Nutrients work synergistically and taking something special purpose won't usually work well if the basics are not covered (for instance pantothenic acid is required in larger doses for anything that is cholinergic).
4. DMAE-H3 and liquid ionic copper topically.  Too much oral copper is not good, and should be balanced with zinc.  Among other things, copper is particularly toxic to microorganisms and could possible kill off good GI bacteria if taken to excess.
I've noticed head hair darkening more than beard hair and I think it is due to topical PABA and copper.
 
5. SODZyme/GLisodin from LEF
 
6. Experimental...topical carnosine.  I am currently using the powder from BAC in my topical regimen.
 
7. Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer from LEF or similar forumula.
 
That's about all I can think of for now.  I won't publish such a list again as it's been done several times in this thread already.
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  		   Posted 7/5/2006 7:29 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Gotsomegray

Any luck with the Reminex? I've been trying it and it doesn't seem to agree with me. If you are interested, I have 3 unopened bottles you could purchase resonably. email me if you are - bhavani7@bellsouth.net
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  		   Posted 7/7/2006 10:09 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hi Zorba990,

Thanks for the info. I am already taking the LEF mix with copper in it and have been supplementing with a Twinlab 2 mg copper supplement on alternate days. The LEF mix has 1 mg in it already, so maybe that is enough internal copper. Am also taking the SODzyme with Glisodin. I will get some of the Mitochondrial Energy Optimizer and I'll try to make the other modifications you suggested and change my routine accordingly. I did have a couple of hairs a few months ago that clearly had grey tips and dark roots, but I haven't seen any more since.

Where do you get your topical PABA and liquid ionic copper from?

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  		   Posted 7/7/2006 10:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
zorba are you taking the dmae-h3 and ionic copper internally as well as topically?

and how are you applying them? just straight?

how much reversal are you getting on your head?
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  		   Posted 7/7/2006 3:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes PABA works.  As with any natural supplement, give it 3 months.  I always start to see results within weeks, but you may be different.
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  		   Posted 7/7/2006 6:54 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
flowergirl said...
zorba are you taking the dmae-h3 and ionic copper internally as well as topically?

and how are you applying them? just straight?

how much reversal are you getting on your head?
Yes. Applying straight.  No topical copper orally, but orally DMAE-H3
 
More than 95% 'reversal'.  Not sure if that is the correct term as I haven't stopped the treatment.
 
 
Here is something interesting (perhaps some investigator would
like to check and see if copper-carnosine complexes are found in
melanocytes and or the scalp):
 
The SOD like activity of copper:carnosine
 
"The results indicate that the complex of copper:carnosine can dismute superoxide radicals released by neutrophils treated with PMA in an analogous mechanism to other amino acids and copper complexes"
 
 

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