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   Posted 8/11/2006 10:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Hi all....I've just joined forum but i've been watching it since january....I started taking 1000 mg of PABA and 800 mg of vitamin E 04.08.2006 and I 'll report if I have any success.

@gotsomegray Do you think that restHairation shampoo without conditioner could work?...How long one bottle of it could last? Do you apply it, every day, few times a week or less...And if shampoo smells bad, what could it be done to get rid of the smell? Thank You!
 
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I think I got a similar response from restHairation regarding use of the conditioner.  They said use it for "best results", but it isn't 100% required.  I shower at night so I figure any residual smell will be gone by morning.  When I take a shower before going out at night on the weekends, I have done just what they suggested.  I followed up with a small amount of regular shampoo to make sure the smell was gone.  I've been using for 3 weeks now (I shower and shampoo every day) and the smell of the conditioner doesn't bother me as much now.
 
They sell 32 ounces of the product which should last a LONG time.  It takes very little of the shampoo to lather up a full head of hair.  The conditioner doesn't spread out nearly as well.  It seems like I have to use a lot to cover my entire head of hair.
 
 
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   Posted 8/12/2006 12:36 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
@ dLaertios You say that you are fighting grey for a couple of months and that you are using PABA...Have you seen any reversal?
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   Posted 8/14/2006 9:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
SS1984, I dye my hair so it is difficult to say.

But as far as I can see I think that I have more colored hairs than before and also the color has changed from white to gray to most of them. Maybe it is my idea and it is not true but I believe that the methods started to work.

It isn't dramatic changes although I started to treat my hair 5 months before, but I intend to keep it for life as I don't want to go grey on other parts than head.

Also it isn't only PABA. I try to use many things with the hope that they will help, stopped smoking , bought a bicycle, apply oils, taking molasses, rinse with acv and other thinks.

I believe that the best supplement is molasses. Also I believe that the remedy you try is one of the best. PABA and vitamin E.

I think it is too early to ask for success stories.
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   Posted 8/15/2006 7:55 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
does anyone know anything about this shampoo/conditioner and what might be in it?

http://www.hairinesscenter-th.com/en/?uid=111&uc=products&cid=234&tpl=template2

if you can get past the rather hilarious name it may be worth a shot, esp. considering it's relative cheapness ... not much to lose i suppose.
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   Posted 8/27/2006 1:06 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
A warning about 'RESTHAIRATION' products:
 
On page 15 of this topic there is a link and a discussion about Resthairation Colour Rejuvenator Shampoo and Conditioner.
 
I placed an order with this company and I believe I have been ripped off. I ordered the 'COLOR REJUVENATOR SET'. Here is the link:
 
 
I paid $106 USD in total (including tax and postage). What I actually recieved are 2 x 16oz Shampoo bottles labelled 'MIRACLE GROWTH SHAMPOO'  and 2 x 16oz Conditioner Bottles labelled 'MIRACLE GROWTH WOMENS CONDITIONER'. Over the original labels, they have simply pasted a transparent label saying 'COLOR REJUVENATOR'. The bottles are NOT the 'COLOR REJUVENATOR' bottles as shown in their website. When I emailed the company, they would not tell me if the contents are in fact the Color Rejuvenator formula. When I asked for clarification that the contents listed on the original label are the contents of the bottle, they wouldn't reply. Frankly, I think they just had some excess stock and are just getting rid of it. Someone is making a lot of money out of this stuff. I would be interested to hear from anyone who actually has the bottles marked 'Color Rejuvenator'. A previous post said the smell was not pleasant. My shampoo and conditioner have a eucalyptus kind of smell.
 
The listed ingredients on the shampoo bottle are:
 
Purified Water, Ammonium Laurel Sulfate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Ammonium Lauryl Sulfosuccinate, Lauramide DEA, Panthenol, Cocamide DEA, Ployquaternium-7, Rosmarinus Officinalie (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Sodium Chloride, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid, Benzophenone-4, Methylchlorlosothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone.
 
I am not sure if they are the ingredients of the Miracle Growth Shampoo, or the Color Rejuvenator Shampoo as I am not sure exactly which one is in the bottle.
 
The listed ingredients on the Conditioner bottle are:
 
Purified Water, Cetyl Alcohol, Behenalkonium Chloride, Propylene Glycol Ceteth-3 Acetate, Tridecyl Sterate, Neopentyl Clycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, Tridecyl Trimellitate, Amodimethicone, Tallowtrimonium Chloride, Nonoxynol-10, Rosmarinus Officinalie (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Merhylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Citric Acid.
 
Again, I am not actually sure if this is the ingredients of the Color Rejuvenator Conditioner, as the original label is for 'Miracle Growth Womens Conditioner'.
 
'Buyer beware' when dealing with this company. $106 for some shampoo and conditioner is a lot of money and I don't see anything particularly inspiring in the ingredients.....and I don't believe I have been sent the advertised product.

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   Posted 8/27/2006 7:50 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm glad you wrote this ...I've ordered product few days ago, but now I've cancelled my order.
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   Posted 8/29/2006 6:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello Everybody...

I have been using Youthair liquid for 1 month and it worked for me...%80 of my gray turned into my original hair color(black)...

I used it daily and got 30 minutes sunshine everyday...

I will go on using this product...I just wanted to inform you...

Have a good time... :-)


p.s. Sorry about my bad English... :-)
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   Posted 8/30/2006 10:54 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Youthair contains lead acetate...Lead acetate may cause cancer....I don't [think]grey hair is worth risking your life.
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   Posted 8/30/2006 10:58 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Youthair is a dye.
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   Posted 8/30/2006 4:14 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi All,

This is not my first language, sorry for errors.

I have been planning to order youthair, thanks for warning.

I have just called one herbalist and she said: "I am 70 and have no greys and you at 40 started so early? Hmm, if you have just started greying please try raw sesame seeds, twice a day a teaspoon, maybe.. "

Schindele's Minerals have been reported to reverse greying, reduce wrinkles when used as a cream as well as different health issues. Their website is poor, but in the book there are quite lot info about it. Basically it is a pulverised rock which contains a wide selection of even uncommon minerals. www.mineralien.co.at
Please have a look at the contenst.

Do you think that rubbing this powder into head would make a difference?
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   Posted 8/31/2006 1:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also purchased the Resthairation combo, got the same thing, womens conditioner.  So far, I like the shampoo and conditioner, the smell doesn't bother me. I am a little doubtful that this can change hair color.  I am new to the forum as far as posting, just wondered what happened to all those BAO SAKA people trying that method?
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   Posted 8/31/2006 1:09 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yeah, the restHairation men's color rejeuvenating conditioner is just the women's growth conditioner.  I thought they should have gone a little further than putting a label over the front label.  They didn't bother to change the back of the label that tells you what to do with the "women's growth formula".  This in itself isn't going to scare me from their products, but it is a little shaky.  I'm going to keep up with it and will let you know if I have any results.  I'm a much bigger fan of the shampoo anyway.
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   Posted 8/31/2006 1:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi again...

I read on internet that says:

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Risks on Cancer
an article called " material safety Data Sheet" posted on internet by Mallinckrodt Chemicals (JT Baker) from phillipsburg,NJ indicates that Lead acetate compounds are very dangerous for human health causing different kind of cancer.I'll appreciate your comment since I've been using this product for about 1 year.
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Lead acetate is indeed regarded as a carcinogen (i.e. with the potential to induce cancer), because of animal experiments. But to put this in perspective, one has to know that we are talking about much much smaller amounts of the substance here, that it's being applied only to the hair, and that there are known carcinogens in many common types of food such as fried potatoes (high levels of acrylamide). In order to gain FDA approval for its use in cosmetics, lead acetate has been tested on humans. No significant increase in blood levels of lead was seen, which indicates that the substance isn't absorbed by the body in any significant amounts.

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Do you think is it true??

The link is:

http://www.folica.com/Youthair_Creme_q618_1.html

Thank you... :-)
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   Posted 9/6/2006 1:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've just read in the book "The Complete Idiots Guide to Vitamins And Minerals " by dr Alan. H. Pressman with Sheila Buff this... "PABA is said to extend your life, cure arthritis, even turn your gray hair back to its original color.Does it really do any of these things? Only in the catalogs of the less scrupulous vitamin makers and health food stores"

I hope that's not true

@Sum 41....I have no idea whether it's true or not
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   Posted 9/7/2006 9:40 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hi,there is only one true way to find out what works for you, give it a try. Its not that expensive and you may find it helps. Everyones response is a bit different.

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   Posted 9/15/2006 8:57 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi everyone again.

Took 500mg of PABA for 2 months and nothing happened.

Greyhair is the same, nothing changed.

Has anyone done the same try in this meantime and got any result??

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   Posted 9/19/2006 10:50 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I'm using 1000 mg of PABA with folic acid and vitamin C for one and a half month and I only see more gray hairs.
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   Posted 9/20/2006 1:59 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
IMHO supplements may help for the rare cases where a deficiency causing the greying exists and on a personal level I have noted that my hair especially my beard has become a little darker and growing in thicker when I supplemented my testosterone with hCG (I am 47).
However simply on the basis of economics why not just dye your hair - its cheaper, you can change it with the seasons and you only have to do it once every 6-8 weeks rather than taking what can be an increasingly complex addition to an already complicated regimen.
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   Posted 9/27/2006 3:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

There may be a breakthrough related to tanning which may also

help with gray hair

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060926171150.htm

 

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   Posted 9/27/2006 5:42 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looks like you and I share some common forums (melanotan.org and this one)...
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   Posted 9/29/2006 9:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Melanotan is interesting...but they took too long and now there is forskolin.  I think that the spots people get with MTII are caused by liver stress (age pigment), and that MTII is not going to be safe long term. It suffers from the same problem many many medications do. They tweaked a natural molecule making it more powerful but also somewhat toxic.

Any melanin accelerating strategy should go hand in hard with antioxidants.  Even topically. Otherwise the stimulation will equal premature aging (opinion) - same as lots of intensive exercise.
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   Posted 9/30/2006 2:21 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.hennaforhair.com/gray/graying.html
http://www.hennaforhair.com/gray/graying1.html
http://www.hennaforhair.com/gray/graying2.html
http://www.hennaforhair.com/gray/graying3.html
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   Posted 10/4/2006 9:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
1940 Natural Medicine was changed forever.  Innovative doctors, which medicine in reversing illness through healthy foods and reversing colon damage, Doctors who believed in "Treating the CAUSE and not the SYMPTOM" Doctors such as Charles Mayo were quickly replaced by the modern medicine we know of now. "Treating the SYMPTOMS with Pharmaceuticals and passing the CAUSE of illness as the AGING PROCESS."
 
What does this have to do with Hair Graying??? FACT: Grey hair, along with all other "AGING DISEASE" was practically non-existent before 1900. In pictures of my Great Grandfather, at the age of 99 years old had no signs of Gray hair. Yes, there were those who had grey hair but (Pre-mature) graying did not exist.
 
I have read many of these posts in this blog and many others. I have found that people who suffer Graying find it as devastating as someone who suffers "Hairloss" I have seen many people confused with the many home remedies as well as pharmaceutical blends. HERE IS THE FACTS: You did not Grey over night... Ridding Grey from your hair will also not happen overnight! MOST PEOPLE will not stick to a program long enough to ever see any results. FACT: Even though there are more and more people turning to Natural Medicines to improve health and way of life this grossly resembles medicines of today "Treating the SYMPTOMS and NOT THE CAUSE"
 
A person could go a life time searching for remedies or products that may or may not reverse "Graying" the only down fall of this method is: All diseases "such as graying by aging" is PROGRESSIVE... You may find a short term results from a pill or supplement but as we continue to ignore the CAUSE our health continues to deteriorate. FACT: People who lived before 1900 did not have all of these supplements that we have now Yet these people lived much healthier lives then we do now. As I said earlier, There were very rare cases of "Death by disease" Fact: Most diseases that kill millions of people each year did not exist before 1900 as for pre-mature aging "Graying" and graying for the most part non-existent.
 
HERE IS THE MOST STARTLING FACTS!
 
The most startling are the health statistics here in the United States.
 
"United States ranking in Health Issues since the year 1900":
 
* 1900 United States Ranked #1 in the 93 civilized countries
 
* 1920 United States Dropped to #2 in the 93 civilized countries
 
* 1978 United States Dropped to #79th place in the 93 civilized counties
 
Although this type of census hasn't been taken since 1978, it has been estimated that the United States of America now ranks #93 in the 93 civilized countries – LAST PLACE!
 
 
 
You may be asking yourself: "So..... If people before 1900 did not suffer these problems that we suffer now... What happened to change our society so drastically? What is the CAUSE you speak of....
 
Our problem first started in 1870, the first Rolling Mill was invented. This invention was able to extract the wheat germ from the wheat so you would end up with a fluffier, softer, and more eye pleasing white flower. Eliminating such nutrition from its natural state took away the natural vitamin E, antioxidants, and the fat-soluble vitamins that naturally flourish in wheat germ and most importantly in the Fiber of the grain!
 
As history played out 1870, the Rolling Mill invention caught on and in 1880 Appendicitis became very common. (Appendicitis is actually due to a lack of fiber and elimination/movement of toxins from the colon. It soon becomes backed up into the appendix, due to the toxins, stress, and swelling of the appendix, and eventually ruptures.)
 
By 1900, we see the beginning of Pulmonary Embolisms. (A pulmonary embolism is simply the lack of vitamin E. The heart needs this vitamin in order to function, without it the heart will stop beating.)
 
Between 1910-1930, Hemorrhoids, Tumors of the Colon, and Rectal Polyps became common increasing "14 Times", that's a 1400% INCREASE OF ANY PREVIOUS NUMBERS! (Again, this is related to the lack of Fiber in the diet.)
 
Diverticulitis then took center stage around 1924, more serious and alarming results of a nutrition lacking of Fiber.
 
Here is another technological advancement that took place in 1920 and was supposed to help society. (This could possibly be one of the darkest moments in the history of mankind!) The U.S. Department of Health found a Flour Producer for a food-processing manufacturer that was putting chemicals in the flour to whiten, soften, and make the flour much fluffier. These individuals were taken to court and the court ruled that, "No additives were to be put into foods or food supplies!" Of course, this ruling was appealed by the manufactures and was brought to the appellant court, which reversed the decision of all lower court decisions.
 
This case eventually made it to the Supreme Court where it was ruled that, "Absolutely No Adulterated processing, meaning (preservatives and or food contamination) would be allowed by the Supreme Court into our food supply since this would be a direct violation of the Peoples health rights and further more would be Unconstitutional!"
 
This day, which was short lived, had been a monumental victory in American History.
 
Two years after this ruling was made and all had been forgotten, an article was published in what was one of the most prestigious newspapers of its time. The article stated that it was OK to put certain chemicals into our food supplies and thus because directly responsible for manufacturers to take advantage of this opportunity and began slowly introducing more and more unnatural preservatives and contamination into our food supplies.
 
The FDA now has a list of over 3,000 "REGULATED CHEMICALS" which can be legally added to our food supply. These are chemicals that have been proven to cause CANCER in rats when used in elevated amounts. The FDA will claim that the amounts added to your food supply are what they have deemed G.R.A.S. (SAFE LIMITS). Yet what the FDA has not taken into consideration is the fact that YOU may get this deemed G.R.A.S. SAFE AMOUNT in 5 or more different foods that you might consume in a single day! This would mean in actuality a person would be getting 5 TIMES this SAFE LIMIT amount during a course of a single day! This raises an urgent question, "How much were the rats subjected to in order for it to be cancerous to them?" You also have to take into consideration the accumulative factor of repeated ingesting of mega doses of these Chemicals each and every day over the years.
 
Man-made Fertilizers, Growth Enhancers, and Chemical Sprays have demoralized our Produce & Grain causing them to loose much of their natural essentials for life. One of the newer technologies to come onto the scene by our Government is the sterilization of our grain & produce by means of "radiation". Produce & grain will then have a longer shelf life, which is the "greed" fed goal of the Industrial Cartel. This marks the beginning of the end of man's final frontier for preserving nutrition in its natural "LIVE" state!
 
"It will be a great travesty to watch how many new diseases we will develop after this new breakthrough in Governmental food preservation becomes prevalent in our food industry."
 
HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO GREY HAIR:
 
Our bodies immune system is more sophisticate then most people think. Our Immune system was designed to protect from all outside viral attack. Once a virus is introduced to the body, while the body is being attacked, it develops endogens which is stored in memory. If the same virus attacks at anytime of life you body can develop this endogen and destroy the virus within hours of it being introduced.
 
The "Large Intestine/Colon" is the key to OPTIMAL and AGELESS Health. For those of you who find an interest in HOW IMPORTANT it is to keep this organ in OPTIMAL HEALTH. Please reference "Death Begins In The Colon "BRITISH MEDICAL ASSOCIATION 1985" Symptoms are all of those which we the people have been told "Happen" due to age,  "Along with brittle and damaged hair/Graying"
 
After the introduction of "Food Additives and Preservatives" into our food source in 1900,  resource "HISTORY OF A CRIME AGAINST THE FOOD LAW
by Harvey W. Wiley, M.D., the very first commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), then known as the “US Bureau of Chemistry.”  Dr. Wiley's Introduction to His 1929 Book about Corruption in the FDA, Our bodies began taking daily doses of POISONS to our bodies. Our bodies were designed to protect us from these poisons by secreting "Mucus" to the lining of the colon. This mucus is designed to protect our bodies from absorbing these poisons as soon as the poison enters the large intestine the colon acts in reverse flooding the colon with water speeding up the process of moving these poisons through the colon and out the body.
 
Before the 1900 this process occurred rarely, only when the body was attacked by virus or poisons by mistake. Today we are "BOMBARDED" by these poisons each and every meal we eat!!!
 
This mucus properties are very thick and sticky even though much of this mucus is released during our trips to the bathroom there is much of it that remains in our colon throughout our life. By the age of 40 most of us will have accumulated over 20lbs of this "Hardened Fecal Matter" In fact people such as "Elvis Presley and John Wayne" Over 40 pounds of this Mucus was found during autopsy's performed on these famous people.
 
Summery: The only way to Optimal health and reversing "Aging" can only be done through removing this "Hardened Mucus" From the colon.
 
During the late 1980's into the mid 1990's I worked with many terminal ill patients. I traveled many countries in Europe with my mentor who himself along with a group of students worked with All "Terminally Ill Patients" Not only did most of these people reverse their illness. They found a reverse in the aging process.  Including GRAYING.
 
All of you who feel confused by all of the "MIRACLE SNAKE OIL CURES AND POTIONS" of Graying... Understand that treating the SYMPTOMS simply does not make sense! You will simply spend your life following cure after cure never finding the answer. It makes more sense to "FIX THE CAUSE" doing this will end ALL of those nagging MIRACLE SOLUTION QUESTIONS you may have...IT SIMPLY MAKES SENSE!!!
 
Before following any "Gimmick " educate yourself. There are many people out there who will willingly take your money and leave you dry when you do not find results.  The answer is YES... Many of these so called antidotes might work if "ONLY IF" your body did not have all of this build up of TOXIC WASTE in your colon. You could receive 100% of the properties if this mucus was not stopping 95% of its absorption.... That's even if you needed these antidotes "After your colon was again working at perfisancie"
 
You can find more understanding of the history of diseases and why they have happened you can subscribe to "Naturally Speaking Newsletter" by requesting it harmonicessentials@yahoo.com We are also working on innovative products for all of your aging problems. In the near future we will tell you where you will be able to find the latest literature and products where you will find all of your aging answers.
 
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Possible age but my 3 year old has a big hyperpigmentation mark on his palm and a few small ones on his face. Always more coming with little to no UV. My 8 year old also gets them quickly from little sun exposer. Tans fast without burning but still gets many new ones. I'm still in my 30s and get the same thing. But again we don't really get much UV on purpose.

With just a little MII thrown in however it goes crazy for me. Other than the back of my hands and tops of my feet (which remain spot free), I believe every part received something new. Most all are minute but darker and more defined dots than freckles. Yes I am also on the unofficial "Forskolin experiment" panel there.
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   Posted 10/4/2006 9:13 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Natural cures to stop or reverse gray hair:
 
 
#1. Blackstrap Molasses
#2. AMLA BERRY -- FROM INDIA
#3. IODINE
#4: BEE POLLEN
#5: COPPER AND ZINC SUPPLEMENTS
#7: Apple Cider Vinegar
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