Hi brm,

The only other thing I can think of is trying Bimatoprost. It's been mentioned a few times before on this forum. Here is a link to the allergan patent.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=US2004027547&DISPLAY=DESC

My current hair routine has a lot of similarities to yours:

 - He Shou Wu (6 x 400mg caps/day)

 - 2000mg PABA/day

 - 3g Tyrosine/day

 - 1ml DMAE H3/day

 - SODZYME with Glysodin (3 caps/day)

 - RestHAIRation 'Color Rejuvenator' shampoo and conditioner (wouldn't recommend it).

 - LEF MIX tabs (9/day... contains 35mg zinc and 1mg copper).

 - Trans-d-Tropin to stimulate HGH release.

Brm, reversing gray hair isn' t so easy after all. The solution will be the right combination of supplements for some time to have a visible effect.  The good thing is that searching for success stories you will find the same ingredients : PABA, vitamin E, vitamin C, copper, B complex, iron.  I guess we have to experiment and stick with a remedy for a long time.  What is your age and how much grey hair do you have?
Look at this patented remedy as it is close to your way.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6149933.html

Personally I take black strap molasses first thing in morning, drink acv and started vitamin E 1000 iu and beta carotene 15 mg.  I think that I have less gray hair since I first tried to reverse the graying (9 months ago) but the changes aren't so dramatic. But we have to stick with a remedy for a long time. After all don't forget you have to save and the other hair from going grey (second head).

I see AussieDavid takes 2000 PABA (too much) but I can't understand why he doesn't give up with all the other supplements he takes and add folic, B5 and B6 and less PABA. That formula works. Look at the 2 links I gave. PABA alone probably won't work and he is in danger to suffer from vitiligo himself with so high doses of PABA. AussieDavid try to add straight vitamin E, paba, folic, B5, B6, copper and cut all the other crap and see in a couple of months what will happen and tell us.

I was laughing at guys that took large amounts of supplement but I do it now because of the stress having a head full of gray hair before 30 (although my facial now started to go gray) and to have to go for work, to be a single, to have to answer questions like how old are you with this silly direct eye contact.

I forgot I dye my hair very often and think that makes the situation worst as it wears the scalp, so if Froscolin for topical works the same way as Bismatoprost I wouldn't bother to use. As about the opinions of zorba and flower girl that bismatoprost wears out melanocytes I was LOL.  What melanocytes? Of the already gray hair? If this works it is a HUGE DISCOVERY. Can you imagine the suffering of the scalp using all these dangerous chemicals as you dye it? If Bismatoprost works and if I find it I will go for it. Reading the patent and the experiments I believe it works. And my question goes to Zorba: do you believe that froscolin will have the same success? How can anyone who would like using bismatoprost or similar product will be able to find it and make a regimen? Also these chemicals are innocent (are they suspicious for cancers)? I know that you have the best chemistry knowledge in this forum, that's why I ask.
Regards
P.S.
My supplement regimen (Quest): Super Mega B+C after lunch, E 1000 iu and beta- carotene 15 mg after dinner.

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 1/4/2007 9:50:50 AM (GMT-5)

If you go to his website at www.garynull.com , you will see the results of one of his studies. Only 2% of the people who participated did not experience any change. Please remember that many did not finish.

I have see the hair changes with my own eyes. I have gone to his center in NY, and I've seen many people with dark roots and a head of grey hair. Its a common phenemonenon that there are people who have been bald and greying for 20 or more years to get their full head of hair back with its natural hair color.

If you happen to get the book at the library, you will see the nonrevised version. The pages of the hair protocol in that version are 848 and 849. Or call his office at 646-505-6440. They may be able to fax you the protocol, or at least you can ask questions.

I have not lost my hair yet. I'm just interested in all things concerning the body. Just thought I'd let you guys and gals know that there is hope.

In my crude opinion, I must say that if you improve adrenal function, you will find that you will generally at least halt greying and loss. Then you can go about re-growing it. Most of us are chronically stressed or in "fight or flight mode," which stresses the adrenal glands. That leaves them depleted. The hair usually starts to go grey then. Taking many supplements at the wrong time, dosage, and with some of its "other ingredients", will also stress the adrenals. Eating the wrong foods, pollution, LACK OF SLEEP (super-big one), LACK OF VERY GOOD QUALITY WATER and LACK OF SUN at the proper time, will also stress the adrenals. Take care of the things in bold, and also of the supplement issues and you will help to rejuvenate your adrenals. But I digress...

 

Again Gary Null's  protocol is designed to detoxify, repair the DNA, and reverse aging at least to the degree that we can. And we can! Its just that many of us don't know and never really try to restore our your innate biological aptitude. Anyway,  along with the hair benefit, your body, by default, will go through great changes. I may have issues with Gary Null personality, I cannot deny he knows his stuff, and he has proved it over and over and over again.

Good luck to all of you!

"You see things;  and you say, 'Why?'  But I dream things that never were; 

And I say, 'Why not?' "       

------  George Bernard Shaw

Post Edited (Kola) : 1/7/2007 11:42:39 PM (GMT-5)

 

Bao Shi for Men and Woman™

http://www.biomed-health.com

Last week, I added amla oil to my regimen, the alleged best Indian remedy...

topical application in relation to hair pigmentation.  It might have an effect on skin

pigmentation but, again, I've seen no removal or alteration of melanin on my forehead.  I would expect to see a tan line there and there is nothing.  Of course it may be that the number of other nutrients has a balancing effect.  Its in my formula for a number of reasons (hair growth, medium for stem cells, possible stimulation of stem cell growth, seems to counteract irritation in an opposite manner to cortisol).  Vitamin D was recently added for similar reasons.  I'm fairly close to 100% reversal - removing the copper and DMAE-H3 for a few months set me back a little bit.  It's not any kind of exact science.

 

 

 

1-Has anyone tried emu oil (different from indian amla oil) for reversing gray hairs?

 

2-And has anyone experience with topical NAC?

 

3-Zorba, you said somewhere in this forum that you take PABA for gray hair and NAC for hair loss. Do you take them at the same time? I'd like to take both in my regimen, but NAC contains sulfur and PABA can interfere with it.

 

 

Maybe topical glisodin might help?

Download the study (PDF) at http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v74/n1/abs/5616101a.html
Can't in vitro culture be likened to topical aplication? Is this not always the more or less admitted equation in in vitro testing? I applied 3 mg daily of melatonin for 3 months as well and saw things only worsen all the way long.

Anyway, you are close to 100% reversal and the only one on this site to be so. What's your exact regimen and how far are you back from, in this reversal process, i.e, how much grey hair did you have?
Thanks.

"I apply 1 dropperful DMAE-H3, 1 capful ionic copper, 1T arginine and 1T carnosine topically.  I make this on the fly not in advance.  It stinks to high hell, so on occasion I have tried adding some essential oils of orange, lavendar, rosemary, etc. -- but I don't always remember to do that.  I take NAC sustain to stop fallout of hair (I might be considered a norwood .5 or something, but previously had some thinning at the top front).  I am leary of minoxidil, but might explore other things if the thinning comes back."

 

I was wondering if this is still the exact forumla you are using? I get the impression you are applying topical melatonin as well?

 

I am getting my compounding chemist to make up a topical solution for me and I want to make sure I have the best ingredients possible. Do you think adding bimatoprost would be a good idea?

 

In regards to the minoxidil, I have a 7% Minoxidil, 0.025% Retinoic Acid solution compounded for me and have been using it for several years with good results.

 

 

I am currently avoding any xenobiotics in topicals.  As far as the 'exact' forumula, it changes as I try different things.  As I posted previously, though, for the hair graying effects I think DMAE-H3 and copper are key.  Several sources of both ionic and peptide copper forumulas report the same thing.  Google/froogle can be used to search or purchase. 

 

 

I still suspect it is a copper compound that will ultimately produce faster more dramatic results.  (Copper ATP, Copper Carnosine, etc).  I think I mentioned a while ago that high oral doses of MSM brought on gray hair many many years ago that reversed when I stopped the high MSM supplementation.  I suspect the MSM was liberating the copper from some compound.

 

Copper gluconate and ATP sodium can be used to make copper ATP so perhaps someone wants to try that.  ATP is right at the borderline of molecule size for topical absorption, though so copper-ATP is probably too big.  Might suggest copper-ATP as a phophatidyl serine liposome.

 

Zinc-Carnosine is already sold by LEF as a stomach remedy so perhaps this will increase interest in exploring uses for copper-carnosine.

 

The big question, though, is what will stimulate the body to replace lost melanocyte stem cells?  Once that is achieved a real reversal (not requiring constant application) could be achieved.  Perhaps the copper-carnosine compound would allow carnosine to remove AGEs which might be causing the stem cell mistakes that Bcl2 gene down regulation causes.

 

BTW, Bcl2 as it turns out is very copper depedent!

"Lower Bcl-2 levels were detected in the copper-deficient rat hearts"

 

I think all the herbs and vitamins that show effects will be found to be related to copper (affect copper metabolism or contain a form of copper).

 

In any case any type of reversal due to this is likely going to take 6 months - 1 year or possible more to wait for cellular turnover.