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brm
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Posted 1/16/2007 5:34 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Zorba.

As to the advisability of copper topicals, check this out
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=37085&mode=full

Have you never got itching ot irritation or what?

zorba990
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Posted 1/16/2007 6:49 PM (GMT -5)

No, in fact anyone can apply a supplemental ionic copper liquid to a patch of skin (test) and see that this is certainly false at the concentrations currently sold as
supplements. I've taken a handful of it and applied it all over my face with no bad reaction whatsoever. Perhaps this person is referring to a high concentration?

JasonT
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Posted 1/16/2007 6:50 PM (GMT -5)

Dennis James said...
One great though to remove grey hair would be to use the following nutrients:

1. Pantothenic acid

2. PABA

3. Brewers yeast

Take the recommended dosage of the PABA and the pantothenic acid and take 8 of the brewers yeast.

Take them all daily! Watch what happens to your roots in a couple of months.

Hope this works for you.

Let me know!

Dennis James

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How much of each.

brm
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Posted 1/17/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -5)

Oh sorry, my calculus is wrong. That would be 0.01%, so way weaker a solution... Could I have any efficiency at such a low figure?

brm
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Posted 1/17/2007 10:47 AM (GMT -5)

OK Zorba. I have copper pidolate caps containing 2mg copper each. If I empty three of them into a 60ml minox bottle, I get a 1% solution. Is this the kind of concentration you're talking about?

zorba990
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Posted 1/17/2007 2:14 PM (GMT -5)

brm said...
OK Zorba. I have copper pidolate caps containing 2 mg copper each. If I empty three of them into a 60 ml minox bottle, I get a 1% solution. Is this the kind of concentration you're talking about?

Ionic copper producers use an electrical process (I believe) to produce their product(s). You would have to figure this out and duplicate it. You could purchase one and send it to a lab for analysis to find out the concentration.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=ionic+copper&hl=en&btnG=Search

Dissolving a compound will not likely produce the same result.

I'm not a chemist, and for all I know the 'ionic' copper buzzword is not truly what is contained in the liquids that are sold. It might just be weak copper oxide or something else.

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 1/17/2007 2:14 PM (GMT -5)

JLo grey hair pic:

http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/photo.php?id=jennifer_lopez_grey_hair_big&title=Jennifer%20Lopez%20Grey%20Hair%20Pictures

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 1/17/2007 2:16 PM (GMT -5)

http://health.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1072554.cms

Forget hair dyes and elaborate henna conditioning. The easiest way to combat grey hair is by simply rubbing your nails together!

Before you dismiss this as sheer quackery, here’s Yoga expert S. Goswami on why rubbing nails together is an effective technique for reducing grey hair.

Expert advice – Yoga expert S. Goswami

“Nerve endings below your fingernails are directly connected to your hair roots. By rubbing your nails against one another, you help to improve the blood circulation in your scalp, which in turn reduces grey hair.”

Other than rubbing your nails together, here are other 5 Minute Fix-Its that are equally effective in controlling premature graying:

• When you get up in the morning, rub the area of your forehead closest to your hairline. This helps in removing any blocks in circulation in your scalp. Rub lightly for a few minutes. That’s all it takes!

• Yoga Asana: Kapalbhati

Sit comfortably in any meditative posture. Sit erect. Exhale through both nostrils, sucking in your abdomen.

Release your tummy quickly and immediately follow with another forceful exhalation. So the asana goes like this: contract tummy, exhale through nose (like blowing your nose).

Inhale passively and effortlessly.

Gradually increase the frequency to about 100 strokes/minute.

After the round take a deep breath and gradually exhale.

Benefits:

• Purifies the frontal portion of the brain (hence improves blood circulation and reduces grey hair)

• Cleans nasal passages

• Helps in combating asthma, diabetes, chronic bronchitis and nervous disorders

-Be careful with breathing exercises. - mod

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 1/17/2007 2:32 PM (GMT -5)

home remedies:

1. Amla or Indian gooseberry is a popular home remedy. If fresh amla are available , a paste of amla can made and applied to the hair. Dry amla can be ground into a powder, mixed with water and massaged into the hair. Otherwise amla hair oil can applied to the hair. Dried amla is also available for eating but the pouches are expensive - 200 g cost Rs 45 (about US$ 1)

2. Take black tea (without milk or sugar) and massage it on the roots of the hair. Leave it on the hair for an hour and then wash it away. This will coat the hair strand, hide the grey colour.

3.Massage the scalp with coconut oil (with lemon) or almond oil. Vegetable and essential oil also contain nutrients for slowing the greying of hair.

4. Processed foods and junk foods contain many preservatives and should be avoided. Fish and other seafood contain iodine which is required for melanin production. Also eat nuts and other food which contain copper.

5.Some people have used a mixture of blackstrap molasses, brewer's yeast and wheat germ to prevent formation of grey hair. However, blackstrap molasses may not be available in all countries.

6.Curry leaves are boiled in coconut oil and the mixture can be applied to the hair to prevent formation of white hair. Ribbed gourd should be soaked in coconut oil for 3 to 4 days and the mixture should be boiled. The oil produced should be massaged into the scalp.

dLaertios
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Posted 1/18/2007 1:32 PM (GMT -5)

Hi,
Zorba says that ionic copper and DMAE-H3 works topically maybe because of PABA. I wonder if ionic copper and PABA works as well, because it is easier for me to get PABA than DMAE-H3. Also I can add bigger quantity of PABA to the final solution.

Zorba what is the timeline that this solution gave you reversal? Do you apply this daily?

I guess will all have to experiment with topical solutions and to post our results so at the end some remedies for grey hair and unlucky guys like us will be availiable.

Zorba 's discovery is huge I think because it proved that grey hair caused from copper deficiency. All the other ingredients are critical for the absorption of copper. That is Paba, B5, vitamin C, zinc, B12.

My advice: add vitamin E to your regimen 1000 iu.

chessman
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Posted 1/19/2007 4:50 PM (GMT -5)

Just a follow up on my last post in which I spoke about the product Promel by Loreal. After my post I actually went to the Loreal web site, found a phone number for their corporate head quarters, and called. I was referred to their customer service center, which had the phone number 1-800-631-7358. I called them and asked for information about when the product would be on the market.

Their answer was interesting. They actually confirmed that the product was REAL. However they did not have the date upon which it would be released. They said that it had actually been developed by their Lorel division in France, who are the ones working out all those details. The girl I spoke with was very friendly and asked that if I should find out any additional information myself to please call and let them know. So apparently the news is TRUE, but France has the product and the details, not the US division, at least at the level I spoke with.

chessman
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Posted 1/19/2007 4:51 PM (GMT -5)

I just wanted to share this. Perhaps many of you have already head of this but I have been following it for about a year now. The company Loreal has come up with an 85% effective cure for gray hair. They kept is very quiet for a long time and after news crept out denied it for a long time. Anyway, here is a URL with information about their cure. It is going to be introduced around parts of Europe and the United States this year in 2007.

http://www.newtechspy.com/articles06/promel.html
http://www.bodyofwealth.com/entry/stay-young-forever-with-worlds-first-drug-to-reverse-gray-hair/http//www.2gohealth.com

I believe the product is being called Promel.

An interesting concept. Of course it will destroy their hair coloring sales along with everybody else's, but on the other hand they will have the patent on a product that will corner the market. Obviously who would want to purchase hair coloring when they can have a for real cure. So I guess the bottom line is that if you can corner the market they will make more money than ever even if it does kill their hair coloring business because at the same time they pick up everybody else's business also.

Gaizz
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Posted 1/19/2007 4:59 PM (GMT -5)

".........Copper is beneficial for graying and thinning hair......."

http://www.kornax.com/Liquid_Copper_Water.htm

teenagegraygal
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Posted 1/19/2007 5:00 PM (GMT -5)

HI ALL,

Test it

AussieDavid
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Posted 1/19/2007 5:06 PM (GMT -5)

I've just spent the last few hours going through all of the posts on this topic, trying to work out what's best to put in a topical solution that my compounding chemist will make up for me.

Based on what others have tried, this is what I have come up with for a TOPICAL solution:

(1) Ionic copper

(2) DMAE H3

(3) Pantothenic Acid

(4) Carnosine

(5) SOD

(6) B vitamins, vit D, C and E

(7) Tyrosine

(8) PABA

(9) Arginine

I also considered Bimatoprost, but there are 2 posts by 'zorba990' expressing some concerns with Bimatoprost. I also considered melatonin, but 'brm' experienced accelerated greying with topical melatonin, yet 'zorba990' has used it with no adverse effects. If it's an unknown, I'd rather leave it out for now. I don't know if my compounding chemist can get all of the above ingredients in a stable solution, but I'll speak to her on Monday and she what she can do. I will also take 'date imprinted' photographs so I have an accurate record of results (or lack thereof).

There was one thing mentioned on page 1 of this forum which we should keep an eye on for developments: Dihydroxyl-5,6-indole It seems this is scientifically proven to reverse grey hair, but is not yet commercially available.

Also, here is a link to a website which basically summarizes the 3 different groups of approaches to reversing grey hair:

(1) Nutritional - Oral and topical

(2) Medical

(3) Cosmetic

Here's the link: http://www.antiaging-wellness.com/Pages/Treatments/Hair/grey_hair.php

AussieDavid
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Posted 1/19/2007 5:09 PM (GMT -5)

I did a google search looking for a shampoo with omega 3 in it and this is what I found. Anyone tried it? The advertisement says:

Rich in Vitamins E, B1, B3, B6, Omega-3 and rare oligoelements such as selenium, copper and zinc. Strengthens the hair from the root to the tips, reconstructs the hair fiber.

http://www.webvitamins.com/product.aspx?ID=22105

Contains

Water, Dissodium Cocoyl Glutamate(from coconut), Decyl Glucoside, Oleyl Cocamide(from coconut), Cocamidopropyl Betaine(from coconut), PEG-120 Methyl Glucose Dioleate(from sugar), Lawsonia inermis(Henna) Leaf Extract, Vegetable Protein Complex(hydrolized Corn, Wheat and Soy protein), Bertholletia excelsa(Brazil nut) Seed Oil, Carapa guianensis(Andiroba-crabwood)Seed Oil, Citric Acid, Dipterix odorata(Cumaru) Essential Oil, Aniba canelilla(Preciosa) Essential Oil, Phenoxyethanol and DMDM Hydantoin.

It sounds interesting because the vitamins and minerals are similar to what are referred to in this forum for reversing grey hair. Just wondering if this might be worthwhile using in addition to a topical solution. Any comments? Zorba? Up till recently I've been trying 'resthairation' shampoo and conditioner, but it's a total scam. I have gone back to using Alchemy shampoo/conditioner.

brm
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Posted 1/19/2007 6:34 PM (GMT -5)

Aussie David, making this list up is a good job. Thank you. The problem is: what quantities will you put in? As a starting point, we should reasonably take the nominal data we can collect from specific topical solutions. But, for PABA, we have no indication, do we? And what will be the vehicle solution? Your chemist might answer?

AussieDavid
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Posted 1/22/2007 4:25 PM (GMT -5)

Hi 'brm',

As for the specific quantities of the ingredients, I will have to discuss that with my chemist and go with what she recommends. When I briefly discussed the idea with her a few weeks ago, I remember her saying that there is a reference she has which determines the relative quantities of ingredients in compounding formulas. In the end, it will be left to her skills to create a formula that mixes ok. She has been one of the few people able to get my minoxidil solution stable and that was through experimentation, so I am confident that she has the skills to produce something good here as well. I'll get more specific details from her in respect to relative quantities once she has worked it out and I'll publish them here. I'm getting my hair cut in the next week, so I'll also publish my 'before' pics on 'fotothing' and put the link on here.

In relation to PABA, I'll have to discuss that with her. There is PABA already in the DMAE-H3. The list I made was simply my 'wish list' based on all of the posts made in this forum.

hermes
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Posted 1/22/2007 4:50 PM (GMT -5)

Aussie David,

I don't think any shampoo can do much help for gray hair. But I suggest you to try Reminex gray hair shampoo.It contains what you searching for in a shampoo. Emu oil is a good source of omega 3 & 6.

http://reminex.com/order.html#shampoo

brm
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Posted 1/22/2007 5:22 PM (GMT -5)

None of us has greeted chessmann over his post about Loreal's hoped breakthrough. Thank you chessman, at least for this renewed hope you're giving us. I think I'll ring Loreal up here in Paris to try and know a little more. I even don't live far away from their headquarters north Paris. I wouldn''t be surprised if they were not half as talkative as the girl chessman had on the phone.

AussieDavid
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Posted 1/23/2007 10:14 AM (GMT -5)

'Promel' was discussed on page 10 of this forum. The general consensus was that it was a hoax. Google 'Promel' and you won't find any 'mainstream' information on it. Has something changed in relation to Promel?

brm
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Posted 1/23/2007 2:53 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Aussie. First of all, check out your PM box by logging in, then clicking any PM red icon (yours for instance), then click the "inbox". I have questions there for you.
Second, I agree there's no real serious background as yet behind Loreal's product. But since there's no product to scam over, what interest would they have to stake such claims? Swell their hair dye selling share? Quite improbable. As yet, there's only rumor about a possible rollout, but certainty about the study they're carrying out, successfully or not. And there's a new element: Loreal's public relation and marketing services seem no longer to deny the project. And this is encouraging since any real hoax could only damage their cred in the mid and long run.

brm
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Posted 1/25/2007 9:46 AM (GMT -5)

Hey Aussie, did you check out your PM inbox and read my message?

greyboy
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Posted 1/26/2007 10:14 AM (GMT -5)

loreal paris filed a patent for this product months before it was mentioned on the internet. the product is real its just a matter of when it will be released and how effective it is.

gotsomegray
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Posted 1/29/2007 11:05 AM (GMT -5)

Someone gave me another suggestion on the possible reversal of gray hair that seems ridiculous at first, but I'll pass it along regardless. The suggestion was to get yourself upside down for a period time (15-20 minutes?) by whatever means so blood can rush to the head. I don't know how long would be too long and what way is best, but it's another idea for anyone desperate enough to try it. And yes, I am desperate enough to try it so I have started to lie backward off of my couch for 15-20 minutes while watching television each day.

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