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Amber
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Posted 5/9/2005 1:31 PM (GMT -5)

Research has been done, and Help is on the way. There is an antidote for reversing grey hair in the process of being patented as we speak. I know

this because I have tried it, yeah!

alfax
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Posted 5/9/2005 5:46 PM (GMT -5)

AMBER U SURELY MUST BE JOKING.

EXPLAIN PLEASE WHAT "ANTIDOTE" U HAVE TRIED.

Amber
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Posted 5/10/2005 3:27 PM (GMT -5)

This is not a joke, for I well know that grey hair is not a joking matter. I will get back with you in about three weeks when I will be granted permission to tell you. Hang in there, grey hair can be reversed. Check the post in about three weeks, ok.

alfax
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Posted 5/10/2005 5:48 PM (GMT -5)

ASSUMING ITS TRUE:

WHEN WILL THIS "PRODUCT" BE COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE ?

WILL IT BE EXPENSIVE?

dang
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Posted 5/11/2005 2:08 PM (GMT -5)

amber -
how long does the product take to work?

dang
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Posted 5/11/2005 2:08 PM (GMT -5)

amber -
please don't forget to keep us posted.
thanks

zorba990
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Posted 5/11/2005 2:09 PM (GMT -5)

I have been getting good results using DMAE-H3 orally along with
applying it topically. This is in addition to using a trditional Chinese herbal
formula. Topically the solution smells pretty bad though. I use 4 drops
DMAE-H3 with 4 drops Hydroderm and rub in.

I found a source for true SOD by the way, but have not yet purchased
any:

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23007/SLO1597

So DMAE-H3, Hydroderm, real SOD, and ionic copper topically
would comprise a good formula. If balding then add ionic tin, ionic zinc,
creatine phosphate and arginine as well. You could add Dr. Proctor's formula
but I find it (likely the NANO) much too irritating.

I have another ingredient and process that I add but this is a secret for now ...

dang
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Posted 5/16/2005 5:50 PM (GMT -5)

anyone ever tried erzhi wan? i'm taking the two herbs as part of a bigger mixture but haven't seen results yet. i haven't even been on it a month though. read more about it here: http://www.itmonline.org/arts/erzhiwan.htm .

GOM
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Posted 5/16/2005 5:55 PM (GMT -5)

My 2 cents on back to black.

What has slowly change my mustache hair and some of my side burns hairs back to black is vit B5, zinc and eating avocados every day. This change has been slow and occured over several months.

My far out theory is the production of melanin needs coenzyme A either as a ATP energy source or as a critical enyzamitic step in the production of melanin. Co-A is obtained via beta oxidation of fats which needs B5.

biggarrison
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Posted 5/16/2005 6:03 PM (GMT -5)

Which Chinese formula do you use?

dang
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Posted 5/17/2005 4:52 PM (GMT -5)

So do we have a guinea pig for the SOD spray?

zorba990
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Posted 5/17/2005 4:52 PM (GMT -5)

The traditional Chinese Herbal formula for Gray Hair is called "Seven Treasure Special Pill for Beautiful Whiskers"

Radix Polygoni Multiflori (he Shou Wu) steamed in Black Sesame Seeds 300 g
Sclerotium Poriae Cocos (fu ling) 150 g
Radix Achyranthis Bidentatae (niu xi) 150 g
Radix Angelicae Sinensis (dang gui) 150 g
Fructus Lycii (gou qi zi) 150 g
Semen Cuscutae Chinensis (tu si zi) 150 g
Fructus Psoraleae Corylifoliae (bu gu zhi) dry fry with black sesame seeds 120 g

Preparation: Grind the ingredients into powder and form into 9 g pills with honey.
Dosage: One pill in the morning and one in the evening with warm salted water.

This formula should not be used by people who have the chinese diagnosis
of spleen deficiency. The formula may cause loose stools and should be halted
until stools return to normal.

(Source: Yi Fang Ji Jie)

I have never seen the _exact_ formula, preperation and all, outside of an acupuncturist's or oriental hebalist's. At the chinese herbalist, I have
seen the above formula in a kind of "I dream of Genie" looking bottle and that
is the one I used long ago before I got it from my acupuncturist.

Many times herbal companies will focus on one ingredient, or eliminate the
difficult or cumbersome portions of the preparation -- or even substitute cheaper
herbs for the ones specified. And, thus, the results are much poorer.

An enterprising organic US farmer and Chinese herbalist could make alot of
money by growing many traditional chinese herbs and properly preparing
them for use by acupuncturists. Even Herb Pharm makes frequent trips
to China to procure certain herbs that are just not available or do not grow
well in certain condidtions here in the US.

Chinese patent medicines, available at chinese herbalists, like this one,
http://www.thejamushop.com/hair.htm , have sometimes been found
to be contaminated with heavy metals due to the soil they are grown in.
So buyer beware.

Here is another good reference:

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/hoshouwu.htm

Have fun!

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 5/17/2005 4:55:25 PM (GMT-4)

LeighDW
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Posted 5/23/2005 4:19 PM (GMT -5)

Many people here have mentioned "DMAE H3", which is something of a misnomer, since DMAE and GH3, while very similar, are not the same. DMAE is often used in the United States as a substitute for Gerovital H3 which is banned by the FDA as a controlled drug. GH3 is superior and more bioavailable than DMAE. It has been proven since the fifties that GH3 can darken or restore greying hair to its original colour but it seems to be a very long process that takes months or even several years to see appreciable results.

Interestingly, GH3 breaks down in the body into DEAE (a similar metabolite to DMAE) and PABA. Ironically it is the PABA with the hair restoring power, not the DMAE/DEAE. As someone mentioned earlier, it was proved fifty years ago that PABA could have this effect, though the reason GH3 darkens grey hair much more effectively is that the procaine complex enables the PABA to enter into the cells more effectively than simply taking PABA alone. Unfortunately, due to the blinkered and corrupt FDA, you Americans might find that you have to carry on taking your "DMAE H3" supplements rather than being offered the real deal.

-"DMAE H3" is a the name of a product, not a chemical name. The poster is correct in the assertion that the product is not GH3 nor does it contain both of its metabolites: DEAE and PABA.- moderator

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 5/23/2005 4:25:58 PM (GMT-4)

zorba990
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Posted 5/24/2005 12:38 PM (GMT -5)

"the procaine complex enables the PABA to enter into the cells more effectively than simply taking PABA alone"

And perhaps this effect also occurs with DMAE-H3 ...

alfax
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Posted 5/24/2005 10:10 PM (GMT -5)

I'VE LOOKED FOR DMAE-H3 IN LEF's catalogue but i couldnt find it.

IF ONE TAKES DMAE PILLS AND PABA PILLS TOGETHER does one get the same effects? - Yes, whatever effects are elicited by DMAE and PABA, (which won't necessarily restore hair color) but pills are a less rapidly absorbed. - Moderator

What are the benefits and side effects of this combination of substances?

thanx

- High doses of DMAE can noticeably increase muscle tension, and can also result in a headache for this reason. Some individuals have reported a fishy body odor, but that evidently depends upon one's own metabolism.- Moderator

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 5/24/2005 10:18:06 PM (GMT-4)

lei.talk
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Posted 5/25/2005 4:36 PM (GMT -5)

alfax

i have always used twinlab's dmae-H3.

if your local health-food store does not have it in stock,

they will happily special-order it for you.

durk pearson and sandy shaw recommended this supplement

and i am glad that i took their advice.

Post Edited (lei.talk) : 9/1/2005 9:07:43 PM (GMT-4)

alfax
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Posted 5/26/2005 1:15 PM (GMT -5)

SO TAKING DMAE PILLS AND PABA PILLS ISNT AS BENEFICIAL AS TAKING GEROVITAL GH3?

Amber
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Posted 5/26/2005 1:17 PM (GMT -5)

Hi, this is Amber. The product that I spoke of that will reverse gray hair is very real, works in two to three weeks, and will not be expensive. The reason that I don't speak very much about it in this thread is because I am the product inventor and according to the rules of this forum, I must be careful to not appear to be selling within the forum. But, the patent has been filed and I will keep in touch with the forum as to when it will be available on the market.

alfax
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Posted 5/26/2005 1:21 PM (GMT -5)

What is considered a safe dosage of DMAE?

-People do well with 30-100 mg although some people take higher doses. - Moderator

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 5/26/2005 1:24:03 PM (GMT-4)

alfax
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Posted 5/26/2005 1:22 PM (GMT -5)

LEF sells a variety of products from Twinlab. Why not DMAE-H3?

-It is available from Life Extension's store in Florida. - Moderator

shakti
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Posted 5/26/2005 2:46 PM (GMT -5)

Hello

can you explain what is amber ? ...herb...crystal...

How to find it? How much the cost?

Thanks

korg
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Posted 5/26/2005 3:57 PM (GMT -5)

Yes Amber, more information will be welcome. Where can we know more about your product?

Thanks a lot.

lei.talk
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Posted 5/26/2005 4:42 PM (GMT -5)

Amber

the patent has been filed

so, it is now safe (in the legal sense)

for you to tell us all about your creation.

first, what is the referencing information

at the patent office?

so that we can all look it up.

Post Edited (lei.talk) : 6/29/2005 5:50:50 PM (GMT-4)

alfax
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Posted 5/26/2005 4:55 PM (GMT -5)

Why isnt DMAE-H3 in your catalogue? Can i buy it via internet?

- The store has a huge inventory and everything can't be added to the catalog. Call the order department and ask about ordering it: 1 800 544 4440. - Moderator

alfax
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Posted 5/26/2005 5:05 PM (GMT -5)

CAN'T I CONTACT THE ORDER DEPARTMENT THROUGH E-MAIL?

-Yes. See http://www.lef.org/quest-com.html - Moderator

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