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hermes
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Posted 2/12/2007 12:56 PM (GMT -5)

milanitin and melatab are spam, but there are some homeopathic remedies for gray hair with acid phos, lycopodium,Thyroidin, and topical use of a plant named Pilocarpus jaborandi.

flowergirl
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Posted 2/12/2007 2:23 PM (GMT -5)

thanx 4 answerin aussie n zorba.

i know i keep asking, but am really trying to get clear without wasting time. zorba, what form of vit d are u using?? and are u still using melatonin topically??

keep the faith aussie, seems like the topical solution is the answer.

do you think it would be enough to just use the dmae-h3 and the ionic copper alone as a topical???

and if not, wot are the prime ingredients???

this is the last time im gonna ask, i promise!!

gotsomegray
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Posted 2/12/2007 4:25 PM (GMT -5)

For anyone wanting to try the Milanitin or Melatab, be sure to pay by credit card. I'm definitely willing to try with the money back guarantee. The only thing I worry about is the company not coming through with the guarantee. If you pay by credit card you can charge the company back through a credit dispute whether they like it or not. The time limitation is 90 days on that so I'm more willing to try the Milanitin since it gives a 60-day time frame. Also, I am big fan of homeopathics.

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 2/13/2007 11:09 AM (GMT -5)

gotsomegray, please let us know Milanitin's email address ( from the order confirmation email) and when you'll get the package
GOOD LUCK! :)

cdkona
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Posted 2/15/2007 1:07 PM (GMT -5)

I just ordered DMAE H3 for a topical application along with ionic copper. I have read that it stinks. How soon after application can the hair be washed/rinsed? Do these two need to be mixed or applied separately? I am going to try one side of my head as a control for oral suppliments. I will let you know.

UltraGrayMan
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Posted 2/15/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -5)

I am a new member on this forum. I have a lot of gray hair on my scalp. I just wanted to find out from those very experienced member out there, what type of vitamin, mineral or simply any medication that when taken orally has been proven it has reversed gray hair to any other color, lets say brown or black color hair.

Thank You & Best Regards

lad
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Posted 2/15/2007 1:49 PM (GMT -5)

It seems like the "escape clause" of both the pricey pill cures mentioned here is that they are for treating "premature grey hair."

I mean, if you are already 40-50 something, can you expect any greying to truely be "premature?"

zorba990
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Posted 2/15/2007 5:31 PM (GMT -5)

cdkona said...
I just ordered DMAE H3 for a topical application along with ionic copper. I have read that it stinks. How soon after application can the hair be washed/rinsed? Do these two need to be mixed or applied separately? I am going to try one side of my head as a control for oral suppliments. I will let you know.

BTW I declare 'prior art' on DMAE-H3 + copper for treating gray hair so that no one will be able to patent it and ruin the fun LOL ; )

flowergirl
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Posted 2/15/2007 7:37 PM (GMT -5)

"BTW I declare 'prior art' on DMAE-H3 + copper for treating gray hair so that no one will be able to patent it and ruin the fun LOL ; )"

u betta patent it urself zorba!! u seem to have got it down!

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 2/15/2007 8:54 PM (GMT -5)

zorba, do you think a copper product (Folligen) from Skin Biology is ionic and would it work with DMAE-H3 in the same way?

zorba990
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Posted 2/16/2007 10:46 AM (GMT -5)

Redneck Rivera said...
zorba, do you think a copper product (Folligen) from Skin Biology is ionic and would it work with DMAE-H3 in the same way?

Its a peptide product. So, no its not ionic. It might work with DMAE-H3 the same way. PABA seems to help with distribution of melanin.

People might want to start differentiating between gray hair which is a partial malfunction of the melanocytes and white hair which is complete (even if temporary) dysfunction. It may be much more difficult reverse the condition once the hair is white.

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 2/16/2007 8:59 PM (GMT -5)

Thank you, zorba!!!

I am almost done with my Folligen bottle and I need to purchase another copper product...what would you suggest for the best results: to continue with Folligen or to purchase ionic copper?

Interesting about gray hair vs white hair...where did you find this information?

Vincentvangogo
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Posted 2/18/2007 2:25 PM (GMT -5)

Zorba, I am a bit confused about the difference between ionic and colloidal copper. When I've Googled the two, the makers of each seem to claim their product is superior to the other, any thoughts? Also I'm a bit worried about your white hair/grey hair thoughts, where mine have changed colour its from brown straight to white, I don't think I've ever seen a grey one, is all hope lost?

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 2/19/2007 10:36 AM (GMT -5)

(From Japan Corporate News Network)

Byline: Aki Tsukioka-Staff Writer, newsroom@japancorp.net

"Japanese leading cosmetic company Shiseido announced on July 23 that its research group has discovered a unique property of an extract from hops in collaboration with Kirin Brewery . . .
Detailed research results will be co-presented by the two companies at the 51st Annual Meeting of the Japanese Society of Pharmacognosy held in September."

Copyright : 2004 Japan Corporate News Network. All rights reserved.

cdkona
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Posted 2/19/2007 11:42 AM (GMT -5)

I know this is a gray hair forum, but some have mentioned hair loss supplements as part of thier routine. I was able to reverse hair loss completely using saw palmetto (pill) and nizoral (ketokozanole) daily. I will footnote that I only had the very beginning stages of hair loss (<5%) but I tracked it closely and the fine hairs slowly changed back to normal over 2-3 years (and counting). I don't want to get hopes up as it was very early stages for me, but if you want to save on Propecia or whatever, this was an easy, two step solution that can be found at any Wal-mart.

brm
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Posted 2/19/2007 3:58 PM (GMT -5)

Has this product ever been discussed here?

http://www.lipoxidil.com/site/graying.php

Lipoxidil has a very disputable reputation on hairloss sites but maybe...

As to the gray/white pb, I don't believe it to be relevant. Hair pigmentation decreases as the activity of melanocytes decreases then turns white and unpigmented when it is shut down. I can"t imagine any other route...?...

dLaertios
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Posted 2/20/2007 3:03 PM (GMT -5)

I am interesting of adding and another supplement to my regimen. I am between TOKI COLOR (http://www.lanelabs.com) and RECOULEUR (www.recouleur.com). My only concern is about the ascorbic acid if it is from natural source or synthetic.
Emailed recouleur twice but there was no response. Also emailed lanelabs yesterday but no response either. Instead melatab replied to a question very soon (http://www.melatab.com/).

If vitamin C is from natural source I would go for recouleur, but I am thinking very seriously to give a try to melatab.

JRL
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Posted 2/20/2007 4:25 PM (GMT -5)

Zorba,

about a week ago I made a post asking about your topical and how you mixed it (medium used, etc.). I'd really appreciate it if you could let us know how you do it. I'm starting a vitamin regimen and would really like to add your topical (at least DMAE-H3 and copper) to my routine. I'm new here but I plan to stick to this project and keep you all posted on how it goes.

Thanks

reverse
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Posted 2/21/2007 12:14 PM (GMT -5)

Don't waste your money on Recouleur. I tried it and it didn't work. I also wasted my money on Melancor too. None of these products work. Just thought I'd save you the disappointment and some money.

cdkona
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Posted 2/21/2007 5:02 PM (GMT -5)

I just tried the ionic copper and DMAE H3 topically. I applied the copper first (using a plastic syringe) and a few minutes later used the dropper provided to apply the DMAE H3, lightly rubbing each in. the areas where I applied the DMAE over the copper, dried and turned white (ironically turning my hair gray!!). It wipes off easily once dry and doesn't smell bad at all, but I was worndering if this was normal?

dLaertios
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Posted 2/22/2007 9:48 AM (GMT -5)

reverse,

thank you for the information about recouleur.

I see some reversal to my hair after 10 months and I believe that it is from B complex and C so that is the reason that I would like to try recouleur or toki color. The procedure is slow.

Also I saw a hair with white end and colored root. I didn't believe that such a think was possible although I have heard it from Aussie too.

A reversal from supplement is possible but it takes time (maybe 2 years) that 's my estimation.

zorba990
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Posted 2/22/2007 3:41 PM (GMT -5)

JRL said...
Zorba,

about a week ago I made a post asking about your topical and how you mixed it (medium used, etc.). I'd really appreciate it if you could let us know how you do it. I'm starting a vitamin regimen and would really like to add your topical (at least DMAE-H3 and copper) to my routine. I'm new here but I plan to stick to this project and keep you all posted on how it goes.

Thanks

Usually an amount of water is the base of everything so that they can all dissolve. Tyrosine is not water soluble but n-acetyl-tyrosine is (I don't use it though). It's really individualized as it depends on the pH and concentrations that will work for you and your skin.

zorba990
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Posted 2/22/2007 3:42 PM (GMT -5)

cdkona said...
I just tried the ionic copper and DMAE H3 topically. I applied the copper first (using a plastic syringe) and a few minutes later used the dropper provided to apply the DMAE H3, lightly rubbing each in. the areas where I applied the DMAE over the copper, dried and turned white (ironically turning my hair gray!!). It wipes off easily once dry and doesn't smell bad at all, but I was worndering if this was normal?

I'm not sure why you are aplying them seperately but to each his own I guess. Sounds like the concentration was pretty high if the salt (DMAE-H3) came out of solution so strongly.

If you cannot smell DMAE-H3 then I would guess you have a zinc deficiency. It has a very strong fish like odor. This is one of the reasons why each person should individualize their formula based on how their body responds and what is going on with the rest of their nutrition program. Just got sonification equipment so I will be adding liposomes I think. This may make a difference -- not sure yet --- might not get it it for a few weeks though ---

flowergirl
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Posted 2/22/2007 8:59 PM (GMT -5)

am currently using 1 1/2 dropper of twinlab dmae h3 mixed with a capful of ionic copper every nite. the dmae h3 smells but once its in the copper and on the hair i can't smell it really. i am taking zinc anyway as my kinesiologist advised me.

as i am in the UK at present and not back in the US for a while, it is easier for me to get GH3. is this an adequate substitute for the dmae h3 or should i send for some more dmae h3?

as for quantities, once the dmae h3 is in the ionic copper, the solution is pretty much a clear liquid. is this enough dmae h3?

as melatonin is banned in the UK and hard for me to get hold of here, is it essential to the mix?

will keep you all informed as to my progress. am going to add vitamin d to my mix.

longliver
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Posted 2/25/2007 1:36 PM (GMT -5)

Obviously I'm new to this site. I clicked on your icon b/c I thought someone was going to tell some nifty treatment to reverse greying. I'm sooo glad that I found this site. I've been into healthy life extension since I was a teen. I'm now 35 and plan on looking, and feeling 35(if not younger) for as long as I'm on this planet. Hey, I would appreciate it if someone could guide me to the Reverse Grey Hair spot. I'm sure it's ridiculously easy....but like I said, I'm new.

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