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cdkona
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| Posted 4/6/2007 10:56 AM (GMT -5) |   | Thanks dLaertios. I definitely have the PABA caps to dissolve into the solution.
Am I looking to buy a dry copper powder to make my own solution? All the ionic and collodial products appear to be dissovled in water. If you can point me towards a source it would really help.
My current solution of ionic copper is 750 mcg per teaspoon which it says is about 40% of the daily value for adults so maybe it isn't that strong. I think 150 ppm. | | Back to Top | | |
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cdkona
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| Posted 4/9/2007 10:43 AM (GMT -5) | | | I tried mixing Paba caps (500mg) Twinlab into my ionic copper solution. It would not dissolve and eventually the copper oxidized and turned green. Is there a more concentrated liquid form other than DMAE H3? It is only 150 mg of Paba. I also saw that zorba mentioned a vegetarian form that he was considering. Thanks, cd | | Back to Top | | |
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Niko
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| Posted 4/11/2007 12:53 PM (GMT -5) | | |
A nutritional way to release cyclic AMP [growth hormone and ACTH]?
If so…
A study indicates that gray hair is cause by a decrease of melanocyte controls by the MSH from the pituitary gland that requires cyclic AMP. Gray hair and age spots are highly visible indications that cyclic AMP levels are probably running low in your pituitary and cyclic AMP [growth hormone and ACTH] are having a difficult time being released into the bloodstream. This would suggest that if there was a way to stimulate this release we could reverse graying hair.
The epidermis has melanocytes that release melanin responsible for tanning and protection of the skin against UV radiation. As melanocytes decrease with age, your protection against UV also decreases. This leads to the appearances of "age-spots" that does UV catalyze accumulations of cross-linked proteins and fats, due to the absence of sufficient melanin.
Gray hair is also caused by a decrease in the number of melanocytes within the hair follicles. MSH controls the number of these melanocytes. The release of MSH from the pituitary gland requires cyclic AMP.
General References
Wu, C.-C., Ko, F.-N., Kuo, S.-C., et al. YC-1 inhibited human platelet aggregation through NO-independent activation of soluble guanylate cyclase. Br. J. Pharmacol. 116, 1973-1978 (1995).
Leitinger, N., Blazek, lace w:st="on">I. lace>, and Sinzinger, H. The influence of isoprostanes on ADP-induced platelet aggregation and cyclic AMP- generation in human platelets. Thromb. Res. 86, 337-342 (1997).
Ko, F.-N., Wu, C.-C., Kuo, S.-C., et al. YC-1, a novel activator of platelet guanylate cyclase. Blood 84, 4226-4233 (1994).
Pradelles, P., Grassi, J., Chabardes, D., et al. Enzyme immunoassays of adenosine cyclic 3',5'-monophosphate and guanosine cyclic 3',5'- monophosphate using acetylcholinesterase. Anal. Chem. 61, 447-452 (1989).
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cdkona
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| Posted 4/11/2007 3:20 PM (GMT -5) | | I saw this from a company that sells copper based toothpaste. You may want to rinse with your copper solution as well.
Copper hinders the polymerization of the sialic acid found in saliva, preventing the formation of the sticky polymers (pellicile) that lead to both sticky plaque and calculus formation. | | Back to Top | | |
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brm
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sashi
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| Posted 4/12/2007 9:43 AM (GMT -5) | | Hi,
Well, we all still need to find some solution to gray hair problem. i am 30, and my crown has already started showing a few grays. Well, currently i am just hiding my grays by way of coloring or dyeing.
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Energy Goddess
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| Posted 4/12/2007 5:49 PM (GMT -5) | | My hair is starting to turn back to my natural dark brown. It has been graying since I was 25. I found two hairs that were dark from the root and after about 2 inches were gray. Of course if hair grays from the tip back, this might mean nothing. But I do energy work. I used to supplement, I ate raw food exclusively for a year, I've taken Dr. Wallach's supplements, I've done cleansing, but the thing that has done the most good for my health, and my appearance is definitely ridding myself of fear, negative energy, and dark energy.
Try EFT on gray hair. (www.emofree.com ) I know if you have read my posts, I am starting to sound like a broken record, but this REALLY works, and it is a basic energy technique that doesn't require any kind of training or the ability to muscle test or astral project. It is also highly effective. I did one round of EFT with my 9 year old niece last May, and she has not has an asthma attack since. She was a heavily medicated asthmatic up until that point. | | Back to Top | | |
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flowergirl
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| Posted 4/12/2007 7:08 PM (GMT -5) | | hey enrgy gdss,
i know eft. how exactly did you use the eft with regards to grey hair?? and how many times did you do eft on it?
as for the forskolin, i remenber zorba mentioned that a while ago.
zorba do you think it has had effect on the grey?? | | Back to Top | | |
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AussieDavid
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| Posted 4/14/2007 6:53 PM (GMT -5) | |
Yesterday I went to see a doctor who practices 'integrative medicine'. I wanted a second opinion on my hair analysis that I had done last year, as well as wanting a second opinion on my current supplement regime and my efforts to reverse my grey hair.
A few interesting things came out of the consultation.
(1) The doctor said the copper/zinc ratio in the body should be 1.2:1 He is now getting my serum copper and plasma zinc levels checked. He said that most people generally have too much copper in their system and not enough zinc. High zinc levels in the hair are actually indicative of LOW zinc levels in the body. Conversely, high copper levels in the hair indicate high copper levels in the body (although using dyes on the hair will give an abnormally high copper result). It makes me wonder if those people getting results by applying topical copper actually have low zinc levels (ie, low body zinc=high hair zinc. Applying copper topically to the hair may be 'balancing' the copper/zinc ratio in the scalp/hair). I'm not a chemist, so this is just a concept i'm curious about. The bottom line is that testing serum copper levels and plasma zinc levels and then looking at the ratio may help determine whether you should be supplementing with either copper or zinc, or neither.
(2) The doctor said that he has had comments from a few patients who have detoxed with Zeolite that their grey hairs have gone or reduced in number. He said it is a very effective detox agent and it's probably worth a try. If you google 'zeolite' and 'waiora', you will find heaps of sites selling it. He metioned to me that it's sold under a multi-level marketing system, so check the prices. I have found one that looks ok.
http://www.spectrumsupplements.com/en/LiquidZeolite/index.html
The doctor said that the 3 pack is all the you need. Week one, you start with one drop in water, 3 times/day. Week two, you increase it to 2 drops, 3 times/day, week three, 3 drops, 3 times/day...etc etc, increasing to 10 drops/3 times/day by week 10. Then just finish off the 3 bottles at the maximum dosage of 10 drops/3 times/day. He said that he had one patient who started out straight on the 10 drops,3 times/day and broke out in severe hives. It turned out that she had toxic levels of mercury in her body.
(3) Probably the most interesting thing that came out of the consultation was the possibility of getting injected with stem cells that target the hair. He has sent patients with chronic illnesses to have stem cell injections and has had amazing results. It's very expensive and I need to research it more. I have the company business card and contact details and will email them to see if they can do anything for hair. I've looked at their website and they do offer an 'anti-ageing' stem cell injection. Exactly what it involves, I need to find out. The doctor mentioned to me that they take the cells from Rabbits in Russia that have been clinically bred and isolated from the outside world. The procedures are approved by Australia's TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration) and they're a tough bunch to get anything past. The treatment is currently NOT available in Australia however because hospital ethics committees don't approve of it (the injection has to be done in a sterile hospital environment). The company he referred me to has offices in Asia, Europe and Mexico that do it. They also have offices in the USA, but I don't think they can do the injections there. He said the cost would probably be in the order of USD15000. The cells are taken by courier from Russia, and then injected on the day of delivery at destination. I'd be interested to know what others think of this possibility. Here is their asia website:
www.bcro-asia.com Post Edited (AussieDavid) : 4/14/2007 11:50:27 PM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
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AussieDavid
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| Posted 4/16/2007 9:54 AM (GMT -5) | |
zorba990 said...
"High zinc levels in the hair are actually indicative of LOW zinc levels in the body. Conversely, high copper levels in the hair indicate high copper levels in the body "
Huh? How/why would this be so? How would the high levels of zinc get into the hair
if they were not coming form the body?
It's definitely true about high hair zinc levels indicating low internal zinc levels. I have now been told this by 2 doctors and a trichologist. My hair analysis was done by 'Doctors Data' in Chicago USA. In relation to my high hair zinc levels they said:
"High hair Zinc (Zn) may be indicative of low Zn in cells, and functional Zn deficiency. Zn can be displaced from proteins such as intracellular metallothionein by other metals, particularly cadmium, lead, copper, and mercury (Toxicology of Merals, 1994), resulting in paradoxically elevated hair Zn. Zn may also be high in hair as a result of the use of Zn-containing anti-dandruff shampoo. Rough or dry, flaky skin is a symptom of Zn deficiency, so it is not uncommon for Zn deficient patients to use an anti-dandruff shampoo. A result of high hair Zn warrants further testing to assess Zn status."
I don't have rough or dry flaky skin, and I don't use an anti-dandruff shampoo. I do however have high hair zinc levels. The serum copper and plasma zinc tests I'm about to get done will provide some more insight.
zorba990 said....
"Probably the most interesting thing that came out of the consultation was the possibility of getting injected with stem cells that target the hair."
Hopefully these would be your own stem cells. Otherwise it sounds very risky to me
That was my initial thought as well. Apparently there is virtually no risk associated with using rabbit stem cells. If you have a read of the website it gives more detail.
The doctor I saw works for a very reputable practice and I believe what he tells me. He has sent many diabetes patients to have stem cell injections and he described the results as being 'remarkable'.
zorba990 said...
Has zeolite been approved for ingestion? From the description of these minerals they
sound an awful lot like asbestos. Cilantro seems much safer as a chelator to me.
I do not know if Zeolite has been approved for ingestion. If you google it, you will find loads of information about it. Again, he has used it on several patients and in his words 'a high percentage' said that their grey hair had reduced or disappeared. I've ordered some today, so I'll give it a go.
On another note....today I found another hair with a dark root and white tip. It's a new hair, about 6mm long and sprouting out of an area where I had shedding a couple of months ago. It is not in an area where I apply the topical copper however. It's at the top of my forehead and I don't apply copper there because I use a minoxidil solution. I've been taking liquid Cats Claw again now for a couple of months and I'm starting to wonder if this might be having an effect. I remember when I first found 2 hairs last year that had a dark root and white tip, I was taking cats claw then as well. I think that makes about 4 or 5 hairs in total that I have found over the past year that have had this reversal. Don't get too excited though, I think I've actually had a lot more go grey in the same time. Post Edited (AussieDavid) : 4/16/2007 10:05:43 AM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
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flowergirl
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| Posted 4/16/2007 7:19 PM (GMT -5) | | i came accross zeolite cos gabrile cousens was talkin about it about a year ago. he is at the forefront of the raw food movement and has written seminal books on eating and health. he has been doing programmes of detoxing with zeolite and seems to have had amazing results. his website is treeoflife.nu
thanx aussie - u remninded me about it. was gonna order some back then, but didnt. think i will now!! | | Back to Top | | |
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AL1
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| Posted 4/17/2007 8:54 AM (GMT -5) | | | Have you considered using an HGH supplement? From my understanding hgh has been shown to reverse hair graying. Apparently the only way to really find out is to try the supplements as not all people will get the same result. Check out this site it has a list of successful supplements that could be tried risk free. http://www.hghinfo.org/hgh-supplements.php | | Back to Top | | |
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zorba990
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| Posted 4/17/2007 5:01 PM (GMT -5) | |
flowergirl said...
i came accross zeolite cos gabrile cousens was talkin about it about a year ago. he is at the forefront of the raw food movement and has written seminal books on eating and health. he has been doing programmes of detoxing with zeolite and seems to have had amazing results. his website is treeoflife.nu
thanx aussie - u remninded me about it. was gonna order some back then, but didnt. think i will now!! While the description sounds good, http://www.treeoflife.nu/zeolite.html, it (the page) doesn't really mention what this O-ring testing is and how it is able to determine toxins in peoples brains, liver, etc.
If you read through this, http://www.newstarget.com/015232.html , it also looks good. But if you read to the comments at the end of the page you can see that some have found it difficult to find reliable references that support the author's statements.
It would be simple enough to test people's urine before and after (as is done with many chelators) to determine if this stuff is really eliminating metals, etc. But there doesn't appear to be that minimal effort on the part of people selling it. The mechanism of action sounds interesting, some more solid research would be welcome.
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cdkona
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| Posted 4/18/2007 5:38 PM (GMT -5) | | Below is the title of a patent from free patents online. Not much detail, and I do not know how old it is, but I assume you cannot buy a topical application of alpha-MSH at this time. The release of MSH via cyclic AMP appears to be the only route for this theory.
"Method of stimulating melanocytes by topical application of analogs of alpha-MSH, and compositions for use in same" | | Back to Top | | |
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cdkona
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lad
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| Posted 4/18/2007 5:45 PM (GMT -5) | | I think "O-Ring Testing" is simple "applied kinesiology" muscle-testing -noting resistance when puling apart your pinched thumb/index fingers when exposed to suspected "toxins." Applied kinesiology has pretty much failed every double-blind study thrown at it, so I wouldn't put much faith in the O-Ring variant.
I have an inexpensive home metals testing kit (for water and urine) I got from eBay. When I used an expensive rapid chelator product, my urine did test high for mercury. I have another kit on hand I may use if I ever try some eBay zeolite. | | Back to Top | | |
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lad
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| Posted 4/20/2007 1:46 PM (GMT -5) | | The muscle-testing studies involved the commonly used "applied kinesiology" technique - pushing the subject's arm down while they were somehow exposed to various toxic or beneficial substances, thoughts, etc. One study even allowed the practitoners to pre-test, qualify and pick from many subjects based on their arm strength's consistant responses to known substances.
The substances were later masked, mixed and retested so that neither the practioners, subjects and testers knew which was which until after the test. There were no longer consistant responses when no one consciously knew what was being held and tested.
No disrespect, but If this kind of testing is truly an intuitive, subjective, developed skill that can falter at times, then it can't always be reliably used (esp. when you are risking ingesting toxins, allergens and such). I'm open-minded to a lot of things, but in more of a "trust, but verify" way.
Can you, or anyone you know, claim to see "auras" consistantly? Even in the dark? If so, I have some very interesting proposals...  | | Back to Top | | |
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anna888
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| Posted 4/22/2007 6:39 PM (GMT -5) | | | Wow, if not cure your gray hair, at least all these antioxidants, herbs, and vitamins you are consuming will at least make you all very healthy, and you will have excellent skin. I starting to notice a few white roots, mostly at the top of my head and I'm only in my 20s. So I'm trying to take lots of vitamins like omega complexes, vitamin b complex, vit c, chorella, inositol... And I just read on this board the topical retin-A might help. Since no one really has done studies on what helps and not, why not try? I mean if retin-A does reduce the white hair some may just say, oh that was determined and some people develop white hair and it develops very slowly and may not link it to the retin a. I think also that they will develop a cure.. maybe that will be 10-20 years off but eventually. Hair is hair, and to spark hair to grow colour again cannot be too hard to develop, since they can come up with cures for so many other things. The only thing is that scientists are really paying much again to it because obviously they would rather cure things like cancers first. But it would be nice if the top scientists who would really be able to make that cure, would spend a little time on the graying hair issue. | | Back to Top | | |
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