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brm
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Posted 4/24/2007 7:00 PM (GMT -5)

anna888 said...
Wow, if not cure your gray hair, at least all these antioxidants, herbs, and vitamins you are consuming will at least make you all very healthy, and you will have excellent skin. I starting to notice a few white roots, mostly at the top of my head and I'm only in my 20s. So I'm trying to take lots of vitamins like omega complexes, vitamin b complex, vit c, chorella, inositol... And I just read on this board the topical retin-A might help. Since no one really has done studies on what helps and not, why not try? I mean if retin-A does reduce the white hair some may just say, oh that was determined and some people develop white hair and it develops very slowly and may not link it to the retin a. I think also that they will develop a cure.. maybe that will be 10-20 years off but eventually. Hair is hair, and to spark hair to grow colour again cannot be too hard to develop, since they can come up with cures for so many other things. The only thing is that scientists are really paying much again to it because obviously they would rather cure things like cancers first. But it would be nice if the top scientists who would really be able to make that cure, would spend a little time on the graying hair issue.

tretinoin (=retin-a= acid vit A) is widely used as a penetration enhancer in hairloss related issues, in combination with minoxidil. Any effect in term of melanin production has never been clearly reported and it is even the first time I hear of it. What we know is that high concentration (0.05 to 0.1%) tretinoin helps fight age spots both on face and hands. As such, it would rather appear as a melanin limiter if anything. This substance is an irritating one and must be used cautiously. Sun exposure has to be limited as well since tretinoin is photosensitizing.

dang
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Posted 4/25/2007 10:37 AM (GMT -5)

has anyone tried or had any success taking forskolin orally?

while we're on the subject, anyone know anything about this:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050208086.html

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 4/25/2007 10:44 AM (GMT -5)

hey guys, here is another herbal product for premature gray hair:

http://www.hnmrc.net/pd99381304.html?categoryId=48&gclid=CIHH0K6W3YsCFSBMGgodJUG6bg

brm
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Posted 4/25/2007 8:07 PM (GMT -5)

dang said...
has anyone tried or had any success taking forskolin orally?

while we're on the subject, anyone know anything about this:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20050208086.html

Some more about it truly with this:
http://www.google.fr/search?q=%22bruno+bernard%22+%22stephane+commo%22&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
I confess a little laziness to go through all this... But one information is interesting: one of the two guys, named Bruno Bernard, works at..... L'Oreal.

cdkona
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Posted 4/26/2007 12:00 PM (GMT -5)

Has anyone been using tyrosine consistently? I know zorba was supplementing it (topically or orally?) but never mentioned it as a strong contributor. Saw this below, thought it was interesting.

Greying is a progressive process caused by the decrease in activity of an amino acid called tyrosine in the hair bulb. Alterations or degeneration of the nervous supply to the papilla or autoimmune reactions may instigate this gradual change causing dilution of pigment.

greyboy
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Posted 4/29/2007 9:20 PM (GMT -5)

us patent: 20070092894

new patent from loreal for a kit for diagnosing a predisposition to grey hair.

surely they are on to something!

I still believe we will see a product from them in the next few years that will reverse grey hair.

greyboy
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Posted 4/29/2007 9:20 PM (GMT -5)

us patent: 20070077215

us patent: 20070071699

two more loreal related patents describing methods of reversing grey hair and promoting hair regrowth

cdkona
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Posted 4/30/2007 10:30 AM (GMT -5)

can you provide a link? the number you gave does not come up in google.
thnx.

zorba990
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Posted 4/30/2007 1:57 PM (GMT -5)

cdkona said...
Has anyone been using tyrosine consistently? I know zorba was supplementing it (topically or orally?) but never mentioned it as a strong contributor. Saw this below, thought it was interesting.

Greying is a progressive process caused by the decrease in activity of an amino acid called tyrosine in the hair bulb. Alterations or degeneration of the nervous supply to the papilla or autoimmune reactions may instigate this gradual change causing dilution of pigment.

Tyrosine is very insoluble so not suitable for topicals. I rarely use it orally. N-acetyl tyrosine is water soluble but I've not found it makes much of a difference for me.

Neverthless it is required along with copper for the process so tyrosine, copper, histidine might be beneficial supplements if needed. I do use arginine topically.

greyboy
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Posted 4/30/2007 4:57 PM (GMT -5)

www.uspto.gov go to the site and search the patents with the keyword canities or use the numbers.

reverse
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Posted 5/3/2007 11:18 AM (GMT -5)

Good job Greyboy!

There is some good information in those patent applications. And the fact that L'Oreal is behind the patents makes it that much more promising.

Now I would love to know a timeline on when this product will be released. I did some digging but came up empty. I even checked the Food and Drug Administration website to see if the product was awaiting approval but couldn't find anything. I would love to know if you dig up any more info on this "new product".

dang
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Posted 5/3/2007 5:41 PM (GMT -5)

i have a question for zorba (or anyone else who has had some success reversing gray hair) -- was the texture of the gray hair any different from your normal hair before the reversal? did you notice any change/improvement there? i know gray hair tends to be more coarse than normal hair, and i'm wondering if it's possible to regain a softer texture using the same methods that have shown some success reversing the color. i remember on the hairborn site (they seem to have gone under, by the way - i guess nobody was buying it at $190 a bottle) they had some pictures of guys who had seen almost a full reversal with the texture appearing much more normal after treatment, so i'm thinking that it's not impossible, but like everything else we're dealing with here it seems to be more conjecture than anything else.

Rob9737
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Posted 5/3/2007 7:54 PM (GMT -5)

Borage Seed Oil, probably from the high concentration of gamma linoleic acid, makes my hair tangibly soft approximately thirty to forty five minutes after ingesting the supplement -- and the effect usually persists for approximately eight hours. I have been amazed by the supplement -- it is one of the very few, other than perhaps LEF's Mitochondrial Optimizer formula, in which I can actually "feel" a positive benefit.

dang
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Posted 5/7/2007 12:26 PM (GMT -5)

found this recently:

http://www.tbfinc.com/blog/archives/6-Protandim.html

anyone have any thoughts about this or heard of this product? just seems like an antioxidant to me .. wondering if the apple cider vinegar has much to do with this.

scott73
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Posted 5/16/2007 10:32 AM (GMT -5)

hey greyboy i'm having some trouble finding these patents on the site you specified. can you please give me some more details about what section to enter numbers, etc in?

cdkona
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Posted 5/17/2007 10:07 AM (GMT -5)

I am having trouble figuring out the homemade copper solution. I have been using pre-mixed ionic copper solution bought online with a concentration 750 mcg per teaspoon (which it says is about 40% of the daily value for adults so maybe it isn't that strong). I think 150 ppm. I have used this + DMAE H3 topically for over two months (in addition to oral supplements) continuously with no perceivable effect. It may be possible that the ionic solution is too weak?

If I get a bubble machine dLaeritios mentioned what is my copper source? Do I need a dry copper powder to mix in? All the ionic and collodial products appear to be dissovled in water. If you can point me towards a source it would really help.

Besides dLaeritios and zorba, is anyone else using the copper + DMAE H3 topically? Any positive results?

dLaertios
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Posted 5/17/2007 5:17 PM (GMT -5)

Make your own colloidal.
You don't need to disolve something.
Search for instructions on making colloidal or you can see the links I gave in previous posts as to make a similar device like me. Search my previous posts with instructions.
Good luck

teengraygal
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Posted 5/22/2007 10:34 AM (GMT -5)

Hi All,

It is a fact that 95% of the girls (including me) who is suffering from lot of gray hair in their teens and early 20's have abnormally saggy breasts. It has been observed in atleast 12 women who have lot of gray hair in their early 20s and late teens. I just wanted to share with u all this fact if this can give some clue for any pioneer to find out a medicine to get rid of this deadly gray hair. I have been following this thread from a long time and sometimes felt happy to see the contribution and enthusiasm people r showing to fnd out a medicine for gray hair. But these days the posts r getting less and it is making me worry if people stop showing interest.

It is my humble request to LEF to extend research on this gray hair as there r many girls like me suffering from this and lost confidence and hope on life. In teenagers the grief it causes is really unbearable. Sir, pls put in more efforts in this area and find out a medicine to prevent gray hair as soon as possible. We (teenage sufferers of gray hair ) shall be thankful to u.

DapperDon
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Posted 5/24/2007 9:54 AM (GMT -5)

As annoying as gray hair can be to most of us the problem is easily solved in 25 minutes with a bottle of hair dye.

What happened to the talk of a product coming out of France to permanently reverse gray hair? Bump for any info on that

Don

Everything dapperdon says on these forums is for entertainment purposes only. dapperdon is a fictional character. I do not use GH or anabolic steroids and I do not condone their use without being under a doctors supervision.

** Beware of sources Pming or emailing you to try their services. If a source comes to you, or someone promoting a source does, the chances are very high that you are about to get scammed or sent over to a rip off site. Stay safe.

kench
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Posted 5/24/2007 10:00 AM (GMT -5)

Greyboy - Issued US patent numbers are 7 digits long. Recently issued patents would lead with a 6 or a 7. Preliminary or Patent Pending numbers will be different.

Russell22
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Posted 5/28/2007 7:10 PM (GMT -5)

I'm a guy aged 36 and i have about 20% grey in my hair now. I've just ordered reminexs shampoo and am following some tips on here as well. I noticed today that holland and barrat were selling a new pill called "mega vitamins for hair" designed for every aspect of healthy hair.... The main ingredients are..vitimin c, beta-carotene, thiamin, copper, L-cystine, vitamin B12, niacin, biolin, zinc, inisolitol, ribofavin, thiamin, paba.

I got some earlier. You gotta take 3 a day which i'm now doing and i'm also gonna top up my zinc and copper a bit too, hopefully with the reminex shampoo this can help it also.

I post any changes i notice.

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 5/28/2007 7:23 PM (GMT -5)

"Further study into these mechanisms may soon result in a pharmaceutical based method of treating grey hair rather than only hair dyes."

http://www.biotechjournal.com/Journal/Jan2005/FeaturedArticle1.pdf

Alessio
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Posted 5/31/2007 10:58 AM (GMT -5)

Hello!

According to Dr. Tobin Loreal patent does mention that early or even normal graying is a polygenic train and so several genes will be involved. This makes a genetic approach difficult.

Others of interest are green tea polyphenols, phytoestrogens, melatonin, and as yet unidentified substances from TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) and Ayurveda.

According to Dr. Ming (TCM) the herbs which are good for hair are as follows: gastrodia elata, radix-polygoni multiflori, mulberry fruit, pepared rhizome of rehmania.

Has anyone any experience with these herbs?

nota
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Posted 6/4/2007 10:10 AM (GMT -5)

Ok guys, to my experience and study in TC, there's a magic formula in TCM called Erzhi Wan that is considered to be superior in treating premature graying and hair loss, this formula is comprised of just ligustrum plus eclipta
ligustrum (Nu Zhen Zi) : http://www.dragonherbs.com/herbs/herbs.asp?herb_id=10467
Eclipta (mo han lian) http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/eclipta.html This formula is usually added to (Qibao Meiran Dan) "Seven-Treasure Special Pill for Beautiful hair" for the highest effect of it,
Qibao Meiran Dan: http://www.sacredlotus.com/formulas/formula.cfm/fid/147
Simply you need to only add He-shou-wu (main ingredient of Qibao Meiran Dan) to Erzhi Wan to make it higher in rank for treating your gray hair or hair loss, or can consume modification of Qibao Meiran Dan by adding Erzhi Wan to it, but note that He-shou-wu - ligustrum - eclipta are the main ingredients (meanwhile you can add some black sesame as well) this is going to be use daily for 3 month straight (to see the result), at the meantime you should avoid all chemical shampoos, I would like also encourige you study this page first:
http://www.aubrey-organics.com/about/articles/toxic_shampoos.cfm
and during your treatment by using these magic herbs you must use a 100% herbal shampoo, if you are in west you can go for Lamas herbal shampoos www.lamasbeauty.com , you'll be amazed how even herbal shampoos treat your condition alone or if you are in east you can go for Dr. Zhang guang '101' hair-loss and shampoo products. You see these chinese herbal shampoos alone could treat your hair-loss and gray hair, so do not forget to stop using usual chemical shampoos.
I'm sure you'll be treated, be a believer, you're the son of the nature let it alone treats you.

Sorry for my english guys, take care.

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 6/4/2007 10:13:43 AM (GMT-4)

Alessio
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Posted 6/4/2007 11:09 AM (GMT -5)

Hi!

Here is one more Loreal product that will combat canities.

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2005065633

I wonder when it will be commercially available?

Alessio

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