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snoopy
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Posted 6/18/2007 2:22 PM (GMT -5)

brm said...
NAC? i.e N-acethyl carnitine or N-acetyl cysteine? Both are hyped regarding hairloss problems.

NAC = N-acetyl cysteine

dLaertios
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Posted 6/18/2007 5:17 PM (GMT -5)

I believe that there is a relation to moles and grey hair. Both are dysfunction of melanocytes.

As I have read from my search a daily dosage of antioxidant supplement (eg 4 gr C, 1 gr E and multivitamin/mineral) help you not to go grey.

Also the same supplement have said to restore your grey hair on about 2 years.

Recently I have read that melanoma, moles etc don't come from sun exposure alone but in addition from lack of antioxidants to your body. If you take high doses of antioxidants it is very difficult to sunburn even if you have fair skin.

So I believe that without proper amounts of antioxidants to your body your hair melanocytes start to disfunction. Also you scalp skin start to sag and maybe although you make melanin can't go to the proper layer of hair.

So as far as I know it is difficult to take supplements and get rid a mole, maybe the same goes for grey hair. Maybe we need a proper topical to resolve the problem to the scalp and then with our antioxidant supplement help to maintain this function.

In conclusion:

If someone's grey is at start the best think he can do is antioxidant supplement. This way he can save the other. If your grey is a lot maybe you need a proper topical for reversal.

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 6/18/2007 5:20:53 PM (GMT-4)

s6
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Posted 6/18/2007 6:38 PM (GMT -5)

My hair has been turning gray since I was in my my late teens...it's mostly gray now...say 95%...sides are white...I'm not that old...this is genetic. I'm Irish and it runs in my family...lots of hair but it's gray/white...it's certainly not from lack of antioxidants as I have been a loyal and practicing advocate of LE applications and research since I was 19, some 20++ years ago. I have recently run into something that may or may not work. I will pass along that info as it it develops...

dLaertios
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Posted 6/21/2007 9:42 AM (GMT -5)

Yes, with small steps I understand the problem of grey hair better.

S6 I know you refer to Melanotan. I hope this works and soon be availiable (and not dangerous).

This hormone boosts your melanin production. This can be done and with other methods as I said antioxidants and sun exposure, and copper with tyrosine. There is plenty of sun here to experiment.

From all that research I know more than doctors or students of chemistry. The topical solution is of great importance. I found a new patent that although is for tanning seems promising. Read the examples : Fairy skinned persons had a tan without UV exposure. Boosted their melanin production (in a way Melanotan does). Afterall I think it is peptides that solution too.

Need to further improve my chemical knowledge.
http://www.suntanscience.com/uspatent5698184.html
Tyrosine + copper hope to work similarly.
"These results indicated that the peptone-copper cream could induce melanogenesis in the absence of sunlight or ultraviolet radiation."
Anyone that will try this?

PS.

As I search for copper sulphate I saw that its color is blue. Amazing my copper -tyrosine topical is blue as well. Paba+ copper was green.

Post Edited (dLaertios) : 6/21/2007 9:48:42 AM (GMT-4)

brm
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Posted 6/21/2007 4:51 PM (GMT -5)

From the ingredient list, can this be anything good?
http://www.keracyte.com/pages/purchase/

lad
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Posted 6/21/2007 4:52 PM (GMT -5)

http://www.keracyte.com/

It's derived from a healing protein sold in DermaLastyl-βx.
(which has some legit origins
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0127skin27.html )

http://www.keracyte.com/pages/testimonials/

"...your new product [Keracyte] is changing all that. I am actually growing white hairs with black roots in my temple areas where I have been applying your product...."

http://www.keracyte.com/pages/how_keracyte_works/

"Who would have thought a simple scalp conditioner could restore your hair’s original color while also making it thicker and stronger? ...Thanks to Keracyte’s follicle stimulating component, your hair follicles become stronger and more resilient, allowing them to better function as intended...In response to Keracyte, these (melanocyte) cells begin to once again produce your natural hair color..."

http://www.keracyte.com/pages/ingredients/

contains:
Matrixyl 3000
Argireline
Hyaluronic acid
Tocopheryl acetate
Provitamin B
Tropoelastin
Germaben
ProliSel

And now, for the hard part:

a single 1.7-oz tube goes for...
$160 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(might be worth it for greying, receding temples, tho').

Meldyweldy
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Posted 6/22/2007 5:24 PM (GMT -5)

Hello, i am new to the forum.

My gray hair has increased tremendously and I spray my hair with boiled sage water. 1/2 cup sage to 2 cups of water. Boil, Cool, spray on hair after shampoo, let dry. I don't rinse it anymore like other do. It makes the hair turn dark quickly. Spray on the roots and the next growth will be dark hair like your original color.

It does not happen overnight. So be patient.

Melyweldy

DDye
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Posted 6/22/2007 5:25 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks. Doesn't this just color the hair?

Meldyweldy
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Posted 6/25/2007 9:18 AM (GMT -5)

I am not sure if it is temporary color. I really don't know how it works. The hair that has turned dark got darker when i applied it on my whole head for a couple of weeks. Now i just apply it on the roots and the new growth turned to my original hair color. However, i learned from someone that after she stopped for a couple of weeks, her hair started getting white again at the roots...obviously the new hair growth. But when she sprayed again, it got dark again. To me, this is safer than the commercial hair dyes. It is a very natural way of coloring one's hair.

jcwst1
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Posted 6/25/2007 9:35 AM (GMT -5)

brm said...
NAC? i.e N-acethyl carnitine or N-acetyl cysteine? Both are hyped regarding hairloss problems.

NAC which is labeled as such (e.g. swansonvitamins.com) is N-acetylcysteine; its main use is it raises glutathione levels. I've read comments about long term use changing other nutrient levels (I forget what) so I take a break now and then.

I think N-acetyl carnitine is really N-acetyl L-carnitine, which is more commonly called acetyl L-carnitine; it is great if you have sleep apnea (I do), it increases oxygen supply to the cells, so I take one when I wake up in the morning feeling oxygen-deprived, and feel better in minutes. Didn't know it was hyped for hairloss.

reverse
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Posted 6/25/2007 1:00 PM (GMT -5)

Is anyone gonna take the chance and shell out the $160 for the Keracyte-b?

If so, please keep me posted.

I've tried almost everything out there(Melancor, Recolour, HGH growth hormone, Paba, blackstrap molasses, copper, vitamin E, Ho She Wu, Hair Plus Vitamins, Chinese ginger root and many more products) without any success; none of these worked! So don't waste your time and money on any of the above.

So you can see why I'm skeptical. Companies like Melancor probably made millions all because of their financial means to market a false product.

I can't see myself ordering any other products unless I hear something in this forum to say a product is legit and reversal was achieved.

I'm personally waiting for the big breakthrough from a big company like L'oreal but I'm getting frustrated waiting.

I can go back ten years or more, even as far back as 1994, where experts were claiming that they've stumbled upon "this or that" that will lead to reversing gray hair. One of the leading experts, Dr Des Tobin, claimed in a '97 article that something they stumbled upon should lead to a cure for gray hair. But he said the cure is at least a few years away. Well it's ten years and...

dLaertios
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Posted 6/25/2007 2:36 PM (GMT -5)

Yes,
I don't think that it is so easy to reverse your grey hair. My opinion is that you need a lot of antioxidants to prevent and to delay further damage to your follicles and a topical application of something that will help with reversal.

Also there is some patents that they speak about melanogenesis. The easier to understand was the one I gave with copper+ peptone protein, and the other is with bimatoprost.

Try to clean your body of the toxins. It will take time. I have seen a reversal of a good amount of hairs, so it is possible. With a little luck maybe I achieve a full reversal.

Supplements:
Beta-carotene, vit E 1000 iu, Mega B+C (1000 mg C + B complex), tyrosine 500 mg, brewers yeast, 2 teaspoons acv.
Topical:
Tyrosine + copper+ 1 teaspoon acv.

Alessio
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Posted 6/26/2007 9:47 AM (GMT -5)

Hello!

I have contacted Dr. Ming-Traditional China Medicine.

That was his reply:
We have treated some patients who have grey hair with good result. Our experts and I will do our best to help you. If you do not mind, we will prescribe the proper formula for you and make it into 20 days herbal tea for you. The 20 days herbal tea is US$180.00 in all.

IS IT WORTH TO TRY??

dLaertios
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Posted 6/26/2007 4:48 PM (GMT -5)

Certainly no.
It isn't possible to reverse grey hair in 20 days. I am trying to resolve it with moderate results for over a year.

It is a complicated problem. You have to see it holistic. If you are going to spend 180 $ try this instead http://www.keracyte.com/ and tell us what happens.
It has better chances to work as it works topically.

Anyone with success story or something that didn't work?

cdkona
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Posted 6/27/2007 4:18 PM (GMT -5)

Melanotan or something similar looks to be created/tested by clinuvel (Australia), www.clinuvel.com. the basis is a more potent signal peptide. Although I am not sure signaling a colorless hair is going to do much if their is an underlying problem.

(Oddly enough, Melanotan II or bremelanotide is being tested as a sexual dysfunction drug by a company called Palatin technologies in NJ.)

Below are the details from clinuvel regarding their product:

Alpha-Melanocyte stimulating hormone (VIEW IMAGE-MSH) is a naturally occurring peptide hormone which is released by cells in the skin in response to the stimulation of ultraviolet radiation (UVR) from the sun. MSH has a very short half life (seconds) in the blood stream but does reach and stimulate other skin cells (melanocytes) which in turn produce and release melanin, a dark brown pigment. Melanin is considered to be photoprotective . . .

goliath
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Posted 6/28/2007 12:42 PM (GMT -5)

Hi, I've been following this thread with much interest. However, I don't have any to contribute to stop gray hairs. Sorry, guys. However, I have this question. Can vitamins or any other methods(have work on some people) be totally effective while currently using hair dye to color my grays. Hope somebody can help.

Alessio
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Posted 6/29/2007 9:22 AM (GMT -5)

goliath said...
Hi, I've been following this thread with much interest. However, I don't have any to contribute to stop gray hairs. Sorry, guys. However, I have this question. Can vitamins or any other methods(have work on some people) be totally effective while currently using hair dye to color my grays. Hope somebody can help.

According to dr. Desmond Tobin, one of the leading experts in grey hair, there is no successful treatment exept dyes yet commercially available.

Alessio
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Posted 7/2/2007 8:47 AM (GMT -5)

I haven't found anything about Melanotan (Clinuvel) and grey hair. Is not this only for skin pigmentation???

flowergirl
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Posted 7/2/2007 9:59 AM (GMT -5)

"Supplements:
Beta-carotene, vit E 1000 iu, Mega B+C (1000 mg C + B complex), tyrosine 500 mg, brewers yeast, 2 teaspoons acv.
Topical:
Tyrosine + copper+ 1 teaspoon acv."

hey dLaertios

seems like youre program is really workin 4 u. have u stopped using the paba with the copper topically? how long have u been using the tyrosine? and in what form do u use it in your topical?

and zorba, you say tyrosine may be useless in red/blonde hair.

am getting a lil confused! i tried the copper/paba topical for 3 months and there were no great changes, but i think there was some reversal.

what do you guys think is the optimum solution? which topical and which supplements?

i already take flax seeds, fish oils, b complex and plenty of raw fresh organic food daily, along with a blue/green algae green drink daily.

also what is acv?

thanx!

westcoast
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Posted 7/2/2007 10:30 AM (GMT -5)

I see that a few of you are thinking about trying melanotan. I have been taking melanotan2 (MT2) for 30 days so far. I do have a slightly darker tan and darker freckles but haven't seen any change to my greys yet. My facial hair seems much darker now though. I'll let you know if anything changes

BTW. My wife is taking it also with no changes to her greys either.

:)

Post Edited (westcoast) : 7/2/2007 2:23:53 PM (GMT-4)

brm
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Posted 7/2/2007 2:51 PM (GMT -5)

acv = apple cider vinegar. Been using some toplically for the last year or so (rinsing off) and no result. My quest, with the huge number of supplements and topicals I use, is also fruitless.

DDye
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Posted 7/2/2007 3:02 PM (GMT -5)

info on tyrosine http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1057212&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0007114507694458

lad
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Posted 7/3/2007 8:58 AM (GMT -5)

Keracyte club, anyone?

Maybe some of us could split a tube to each use on small graying areas (temples, face hair). Then we could compare the results here. We could also decide if we would want to collectively get a refund if disappointed by it. If there is an established, trusted board member here up for overseeing the money-gathering and distribution, I'd be up for it.

It's funny to hear so many "cures" shared here. There is likely more than one cause of gray hair (esp. premature). And each cause may have a chain of events involved (tho' the latest I heard involves stem cell decline). So a particular nutrient or remedy may throw a monkey-wrench somewhere along a particular person's gray hair process, but not another's.

I'm giving the sage rinse a shot. I think I'm seeing a slight blonding of some gray, but nothing definite (yet).

Alessio
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Posted 7/3/2007 9:08 AM (GMT -5)

Hello dLaertios!

I have a question for you.

I am at the beginnig of the greying process. So I have taken your advice about antioxidants. I take daily 2 pills with these ingredients: vitamin B1 2 mg, B2 2,4 mg, B6 2,7 mg, B12 5,4 up, B5 8,5 mg, zinc 22 mg, iron 9,8 mg baker 1,5 mg. Then vitamin E 30 mg, vit C 120 mg, selen 70 up. omega-3 240 mg. Is that enough or I should take more?

dLaertios
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Posted 7/3/2007 2:15 PM (GMT -5)

Alesio,
I have heard that 4 gr C, 1 gr E and a multimineral can make the changing after a period of 2 years.

As for my regimen there is sure a lot of improvement but I still dye my hair. The grey are more than colored. Also the reversal is more at my sides and I believe is from the massage of copper as it is more vigorous there. I am not afraid of hair loss there. At least greying is definately halted.

Something else I was a heavy smoker with very bad diet for many years, maybe the change of my lifestyle gave a boost to my health. Also I am less stressed than I used to be.

Still searching and experimenting.

My observations was:
When on 1000 mg=1 gr E I plucked white facial hair came back colored.
Coloidal copper + Paba works as topical. You have to massage to your scalp.

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