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Alessio
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| Posted 7/5/2007 2:26 PM (GMT -5) |   | Thank you dLaertios. I will take your advice.
Maybe it will to work. Because I am trying to live really healthy. I eat a lot of vegetables and fruits and I do not smoke and trying to reduce stress in my life.
As well I really hope that we will see a cure from any cosmetic or pharmaceutic company soon. There are many company trying to developt that cure (Unilever, P&G, Loreal, ...)
And we can not forget the wonders of competition, well in this case at least. If they don't come out with it first and one of their competitors does they are screwed. On the other hand if they get there first, they make bank and destroy the other company's market. | | Back to Top | | |
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teengraygal
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| Posted 7/5/2007 2:32 PM (GMT -5) | | | Hi All,
I believe copper plays a vital role in reversing the gray hair. Because i have been observing that people (especially women) who have lot of gray hairs in teens have also got most of the copper deficiency symptoms among which the major apparent one is extremely saggy breasts in women apart from short of breath, etc.
I strongly believe whatever Zorba claimed had worked for him would really work. I couldn't try it because i didn't find any Indian source to purchase colloidal copper. But i am just dying to purchase it from any of Indian source and try it asap, because i strongly believe it will surely work for me at least to the extent of 50%.
Zorba,
I am aware u achieved more than 95% reversal. Could u pls tell me how much of gray hair u had got before u started taking the supplements/topicals? Based on your answer i just wanted to estimate how much reversal can happen in my case.
-teengraygal
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Alessio
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| Posted 7/6/2007 10:13 AM (GMT -5) | | | I do not think that they will lose their profit, because women will dye their hair even if they are not grey. But I think if they will release something on the market it will not be permanent, you will have to use it for a long period of time. On the other hand pharmaceutic companies do not make profit from dyes, so perhaps they are our genie in the bottle. | | Back to Top | | |
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brm
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| Posted 7/6/2007 4:39 PM (GMT -5) | | http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1057212&fulltextType=RA&fileId=S0007114507694458
"The low root:tip ratio during malnutrition presumably arises because the tips reflect prior hair growth during ‘normal’ nutrition and the roots reflect hair growth during malnutrition;"
Hey, this sentence has come unnoticed to most of you it seems. But, if trustworthy, it points to an important clue: hair color is synched with hair growth. It means that no hair can be repigmented as such. It can only grow darker...
Well, since this article is poorly backed up by its very writers, I don't know what level of trust may be accorded to this... To those of us who had some success (dLaertios, Zorba), do you believe you grew darker hair or did the existing shafts get repigmented? | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 7/7/2007 2:26 PM (GMT -5) | | | The existing shafts got repigmented.
I read a post and found something that hadn't took into account:
Eugenol (the principal active ingredient in cloves and clove Oil) (applied topically to the scalp) has been demonstrated to restore hair color (and may therefore be useful for the treatment of gray hair).
Has anyone tried to massage his scalp with this oil?
Sounds very interesting. I used castor oil but no improvement.
My repigmented hair seems more and more (I believe maybe 30% reversal) but I wish to find something that works faster.
Also I found this (in previous posts)
The price is very cheap $35 for a three month supply.
Have anyone tried? Post Edited (dLaertios) : 7/8/2007 1:21:21 PM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 7/9/2007 10:31 AM (GMT -5) | | Leading Japanese cosmetics company Shiseido announced on July 23, 2004 that its research group, working in collaboration with Kirin Brewery, has discovered a unique property of an extract of hops. The research shows the hops extract helps activate the melanocyte cells that generate hair pigment. Furthermore, the hops can control microphthalmia-associated transcription factor (MITF), a gene involved in the activity of melanocyte cells.
Based on these results, Shiseido plans to introduce new hair care products. | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 7/9/2007 10:34 AM (GMT -5) | | I sent PM to the poster who claimed that Pepperie started to work but told me that eventually wasn't effective.
Bought some clove oil today. 10ml bottle for 6 euros. I will apply it to a patch of my head and see what happens. I already started and one drop is very strong maybe I have to dilute it. I felt the patch to burn.
I also added two drops to my topical. Lets see. | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 7/11/2007 1:19 PM (GMT -5) | | Thanks teengraygal,
I will provide a simple remedy for thinks that worked for me and I believe they 'll work for most of you. I'll try to keep it simple.
1st factor) Super Mega B+C:
Vit C:1000 mg,
B1: 39 mg, B2: 50 MG, B3 :50, B6 41, Follacin: 400 mcg, B12:5 0mcg, biotin: 0.05, B5: 50, choline:50, inositol:50,PABA: 50.
Take two of them. Best is to take extra 1000 mg with bioflavonoids. Basically is Vit C and B complex. I recommend 3 gr C daily and B complex 100.
I believe vit C was major factor (intuition) - I think it cleared my kidneys (maybe my liver too) from heavy metals and helped my body to use minerals was starving for.
B complex - everywhere you look for grey hair remedy you find B vitamins. Maybe they play a major factor for absorbing copper. Take it.
2nd factor) Vit E. I use 1000 mg daily. It works.
3rd factor) Topical application of colloidal copper.
4th factor) Brewers yeast : Take 8 pills daily. B vitamins again but they have proteins and useful metals as well.
Cost:
2 pills B+C daily: 26 euros
1 pill E 1000mg: 20 euros
colloidal copper: ----
Brewers yeast : 10 euros
All these are costs for a month : 56 euros
It is not over yet. You need and a good multimineral that will provide copper. That is your choice. I don't use one insted I use 2 tablespoon of acv and some himallayan sea salt to take minerals. Cost about 6 euros.
Start with that remedy and see what happens. There many other thinks that need to do as well. Get rid of toxins and help your body. Thats another story. Start reading about liver flush and other useful thinks http://curezone.com/forums/ .
Please don't ask me about colloidal copper. I have posted instructions with previous posts. Don't expect with one day to reverse your hair. It will take a lot of time. Give the remedy a try for two months and lets see what happens.
I am still searching and experimenting. | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 7/12/2007 10:06 AM (GMT -5) | | Para-aminobenzoic acid
PABA, or para-aminobenzoic acid, is one of the nutrients the body uses to make the anti-stress B vitamins, especially vitamin B5, which has, in turn, been linked with slowing down the rate of both greying and hair loss. It is only suitable when greying is caused either by stress or a nutritional deficiency that the PABA could correct.
PABA was initially used for the treatment of a condition called vitiligo, where patches of skin turn chalky white. Some people with this condition also have prematurely grey hair. The researchers found that a very small percentage of patients responded so well to a combined dose of PABA and magnesium that their skin and hair colour returned to normal. | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 7/12/2007 1:55 PM (GMT -5) | | Teengraygal,
don't forget to massage colloidal copper to your scalp. Do them all and tell us what happens. | | Back to Top | | |
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AussieDavid
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| Posted 7/13/2007 10:06 AM (GMT -5) | |
While the copper theory may work for some people, in my case I believe it's the incorrect remedy. I have been applying a topical forumla to my hair for the past 5 months. It consists of ionic copper, PABA, DMAE h3. Without question, the greying has increased in the areas where it has been applied.
I have been participating in this forum for over 18 months and trying suggested remedies. One of the things that I did do was stop taking my daily bio-zinc tablet and start taking the LEF 9/day 'Mix' tablets with 1 mg copper. I have been taking the LEF tablets for over a year now. Again, without question, my greying has gotten worse in the past 12 months, and probably at a more accelerated rate than previously.
What I am now starting to think is that perhaps I have a zinc deficiency, not copper. I have had my zinc and copper levels checked and at the time I was resupplementing with zinc at approximately 65 mg/day. The zinc:copper ratio was 11:12, with the minimum 'normal' level being 10. So, despite heavily supplementing with zinc at the time, I was still only just in the 'normal' range. The correct zinc:copper ratio should be 1:1.2 (ie copper 20% more than zinc).
In the past 18 months, there have been occasions where I have found a few hairs that genuinely have reversal. The first time that happened was about 3 months after I started taking 'He Shou Wu' and Cat's Claw. At that stage, I was not taking the LEF 'Mix' with copper, nor any other remedies. The hairs definitely had a grey tip and a black base. I did find a few more later in the year, but nothing for the past 7 months. I therefore believe that reversal can only occur with regrowth and will appear as darker roots. I don't believe the hair that has already grown can be re-pigmented, so for those who are expereincing this, I am of the opinion that the topical solution you are applying is just colouring your existing hair.
My regime includes:
- SODzyme
- Liquid Cat's Claw
- He Shou Wu (I've stopped and restarted this),
- PABA (in the LEF Mix tablets. I was taking additional PABA supplementation but stopped)
- CoQ10
- Tryosine ( I was taking a lot of this, but stopped because I believe it was affecting my vision. When I stopped, the vision problem stopped. I'm now taking a tiny dosage of Tyrosine - approx 1/3 gram/day)
- LEF 'Mix' 9/day which has among other things;
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Vitamin A (as 20% Betatene® D. salina natural beta- |
5000 IU |
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carotene with mixed carotenoids1 and 80% acetate) |
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Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid, calcium ascorbate, ascorbyl |
2000 mg |
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palmitate, magnesium ascorbate, niacinamide |
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ascorbate, and acerola juice powder) |
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Vitamin D3 (as cholecalciferol) |
800 IU |
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Vitamin E (as D-alpha tocopheryl succinate) |
400 IU |
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Thiamine (vitamin B1) (as thiamine HCl) |
125 mg |
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Riboflavin (vitamin B2) |
50 mg |
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(with 2 mg riboflavin 5’ phosphate coenzyme) |
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Niacin (vitamin B3) (as 53% niacinamide, 38% niacin, |
190 mg |
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9% niacinamide ascorbate) |
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Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCI with 2.5 mg pyridoxal 5’ |
100 mg |
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phosphate coenzyme) |
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Folic acid |
800 mcg |
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Vitamin B12 (as 42% cyanocobalamin, |
600 mcg |
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42% hydroxylcobalamin, 16% ion exchange resin) |
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Biotin |
3000 mcg |
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Pantothenic acid |
600 mg |
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(as D-calcium pantothenate with 5 mg pantethine) |
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Zinc [as methionate (OptiZinc®3), zinc succinate] |
35 mg |
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Copper (as copper bisglycinate chelate) |
1 mg |
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para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) |
200 mg |
I also use chemical free shampoo and conditioner with B vitamins and Omega oils.
Frankly, I'm not sure where to go from here. I'm going try taking some additional zinc, stopping the topical copper solution, finding a better 'He Shou Wu' brand, and I've also just started trying out the 'sage' theory. I simmered 1 cup of sage in 2 cups of water for 45 mins, then let sit for an hour. I'm misting it on to my hair every day. I figure if it will at least 'dye' the hair, then that's a good non-chemical way to cover things up until Loreal or someone else find a genuine fix.
For detox, I've just finished a 'Waiora Zeolite' detox. Can't say that I have noticed any difference in how I feel or how my skin looks.
The other thing that I looked in to was the possiblilty of getting stem cell injections to reverse grey hair. I spoke to one of the doctors at BCRO asia, and they said they have not noticed any hair colour reversal or regrowth with the stem cell injections they offer.
Any other suggestions on what I should do? I feel like I've tried just about everything. What is disappointing is the fact the the greying continues and at a rapid rate. Like I said, the only realy success I had was early in the process when I was just on He Shou Wu and cat's claw. I've posted this link a year ago, but one of the hairs with reversal is shown in the following link. Look closely at the particular hair and you can see the grey tip and the dark shaft.
http://www.fotothing.com/AussieDavid/photo/start=5
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zorba990
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| Posted 7/13/2007 6:42 PM (GMT -5) | | Just Some thoughts:
I've never considered hair tests for mineral analysis as all that accurate.
Minimally, the hanging, dead hair is subject to a number of potential external influences as to its composition (shower water, any topicals you are using, hair gel, shampoo, etc). For the purpose of determining levels of toxic minerals this might not be so bad. But to use it to determine how much copper, zinc, or whatever is in the rest of your body tissues seems quite error prone to me. (Yes, I've read through lots of material on both sides of the argument but I remain unconvinced the tests are reliable for pinpointing mineral deficiencies).
As mentioned previously, some people may be more dependent upon the
glutathione pathway than the tyrosine pathway for their coloring. In this case adding N-acetyl cysteine (I take 6 NAC sustain a day) might be beneficial to add in addition to (possibly) applying glutathione topically (which I do not do, but if I did I would use the reduced kind).
I don't see people protecting/enhancing the mitochondrial and nitric acid pathways
much in their listed supplements. MEO, berry extracts, and arginine orally and topically might help make a difference. If there is no blood flow to the area then all the other nutrients you are taking might not be getting to the places you want them to be. Same goes for exercise. ATP topically does seem to help growth for me.
Many people ask the same questions over and over that have been answered many times in this same thread. Every once in a while someone's $100+ miracle cream comes up, and much as we all hope one of these things will work, they just never seem to - certainly not as reliably as nutritional things do.
Caveat Emptor.
Stem cells and all that have great potential - but they should be YOUR stem cells being used, not someone or something else's without ALOT of immune testing
(unless you'd like to become a Chimera at best, or suffer as your immune system attacks the foreign cells at worst). This (research) is obviously being slowed down by moral issues which may become moot when better methods of replicating your own stem cells are found.
Meanwhile, meathods of increasing your own stem cell production were covered in this and other threads. | | Back to Top | | |
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AussieDavid
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| Posted 7/14/2007 2:03 PM (GMT -5) | |
Zorba990 said...
Stem cells and all that have great potential - but they should be YOUR stem cells being used, not someone or something else's without ALOT of immune testing
(unless you'd like to become a Chimera at best, or suffer as your immune system attacks the foreign cells at worst). This (research) is obviously being slowed down by moral issues which may become moot when better methods of replicating your own stem cells are found.
The stem cells they use are from rabbits clinically bred and isolated from the rest of the world. They have never had any problem with rejection by the body. There is more information on their website and I have spoken to my doctor at length about the procedures. He has patients with chronic illnesses whom he has sent to have the injections and the results has been impressive. I also know that the stem cell injections from BCRO are approved by the TGA in Australia and they are an extremely difficult regulator to get anything approved by. They don't do anything for hair at the moment as they are primarily concerned with helping people with chronic illnessess who are not having much success with conventional medication.
As for my hair, I'm going to look into increasing my Vit E intake. I am also taking NAC at the moment. Also, back on page 1 of this forum I found the following post. I'm going to basically try and implement as many of the things in this post as possible.
These substances retard the onset of or reverse gray hair:
Auxins
Dihydroxyl-5,6-indole (applied topically) reverses gray hair. This occurs via dihydroxyl-5,6-indole functioning as a precursor molecule for the production of melanin via a slow oxidation process. This compound is not yet commercially available.
Hormones
There are many (reliable) anecdotal reports claiming that human growth hormone (hGH) replacement therapy has restored normal hair color to gray hair.
Minerals
Gray hair can occur as a result of calcium deficiency.
Copper supplementation sometimes delays the onset of gray hair (due to its role in the production of melanin).
Zinc deficiency may cause premature gray hair: Some contradictory reports state that zinc has no effect on the onset of gray hair.
Pharmaceutical drugs
Imatinib mesylate reverses gray hair (however this use of Imatinib mesylate is impractical as this drug causes many toxic side effects).
Pigments
Melanin can be encapsulated within liposomes and applied topically to the scalp in order to deliver melanin to the cells of hair follicles where it is then utilized endogenously to "pump" melanin which is responsible for hair color back into otherwise gray hair.
Vitamins
Biotin delays the onset of gray hair and may retard the further progression of gray hair. research
Folic acid helps to prevent gray hair.
Inositol has a protective effect on hair follicles and via this protection of hair follicles it sometimes prevents or halts the progression of gray hair.
Occasionally, (in approximately 10-25% of cases) para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) use causes gray or white Hair to darken toward its original color (very large dosages of 6-24 GRAMS per day of PABA are required to achieve this effect).
- A trial undertaken in 1941 concluded that 200 mg of PABA per day for two months resulted in marked darkening of the hair in 30 patients afflicted with gray Hair.
- A trial undertaken in 1944 concluded that 200 mg of PABA combined with 100 mg of calcium pantothenate and 50 mg of Brewer’s yeast per day for eight months caused significant hair color change in only two patients out of 33 afflicted with gray Hair.
- A trial undertaken in 1964 concluded that administration of 6-24 grams of PABA per day for six weeks caused dramatic hair color change and hair regrowth in 5 patients out of 20 (i.e. 25%) with markedly gray hair (hair color returned to gray within three to four weeks of ceasing PABA treatment).
Gray hair is a symptom of vitamin B5 deficiency in rats (this finding does not necessarily extrapolate to humans, although there is scientific speculation that vitamin B5 may also prevent human graying of the hair - unfortunately no studies have yet been performed to refute nor confirm this claim).
Synthetic substances in synergy
A blend of Retin-A combined with an (unspecified) alpha-hydroxy acid (applied topically to the scalp) is under investigation as a means of returning gray hair to its original color:
- This claim is made on the basis of reports from a New York dermatologist (Jim Baral) who claims to have restored his hair color to normal after accidentally smearing the mixture onto his scalp. His hair color remained normal one year after the incident.
Volatile oils
Eugenol (the principal active ingredient in cloves and clove oil) (applied topically to the scalp) has been demonstrated to restore hair color (and may therefore be useful for the treatment of gray hair).
These herbs prevent, disguise or (possibly) reverse gray hair
Ashwagandha helps to prevent and treat gray hair (by increasing the melanin content of the hair). research
Eugenol (the principal active ingredient in cloves) (applied topically to the scalp) has been demonstrated to restore hair color (and may therefore be useful for the treatment of gray hair).
Fo-Ti (consumed orally) may reverse gray hair and restore hair color to its natural color.
Ligustrum is used in China to prevent gray hair (its usefulness is based on folklore).
Sage (strong infusion of 100 grams in 500 ml of water) cosmetically disguises gray air.
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snoopy
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| Posted 7/14/2007 3:02 PM (GMT -5) | | My simple approach, already told:
2 x 600 mg NAC from LEF plus a lot of vit c ext. rel. (from Switamin)
3 g omega 3 fatty acids (from LEF)
6 x 1 capsule of a multi (from LEF or Thorne, alternating every month)
1 x Super Booster (from LEF)
After six months I had my original color which is blond.
In the meantime appr. 10 percent of my beard reversed also to blond. I think the big helper is NAC, which I originally started to take for protection of my lungs and boost the gluthatione level. | | Back to Top | | |
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snoopy
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| Posted 7/14/2007 3:03 PM (GMT -5) | | Appendix to my previous post:
I know copper is necessary for building melanin, but I use a multi without copper.
It is known that copper and zinc are antagonists.
A long-term intake of more than 2 - 4 mg copper per day should be avoided and the ratio zinc-copper should be grater than 4:1 to avoid overloading with copper. | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 7/15/2007 3:05 PM (GMT -5) | | Thanks again snoopy.
6 months is a short period indeed. Can you provide us with more information?
1) You said had a grey area near your ears, was poliosis or just the start of greying progress?
2) How much vitamin C daily?
3) Could you suggest a remedy that you believe it will work for reversing grey hair? | | Back to Top | | |
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StarGazer
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| Posted 7/15/2007 11:06 PM (GMT -5) | | A poster, "island808" in this forum last year mentioned he knew of a lady who was eating Goji Berries and claimed her hair color was returning.
A few who have taken Goji Berry Juice claimed the same.
Here's a source for GoJi berries.
http://www.gojiberries.us/
BUT - It seems to me that if it really worked for grey hair, many people who eat the berries or drink the juice would be claiming that it is reversing their grey hair. After all, that is almost miraculous.
So, if it does work, it probably works for a small minority of those who ingest the stuff. Personally, I've decided not to try it. But if anyone else does, please report whether or not it helped.
I've already experienced a minor miracle in my life of halting my hair loss and having more hair now (I'm 42) than I did in my 20s. Perhaps having my grey hair go back to its natural color is asking for too much.
But, I'm trying. | | Back to Top | | |
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