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alfax
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  		   Posted 5/26/2005 8:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AMBER. SHOW US ONE SOLID PROOF THAT U R NOT JOKING.
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  		   Posted 6/5/2005 1:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello there.

I HAVE A SUGESTION FOR LEF's PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT:

TO MAKE AN AFFORDABLE SUPPLEMENT (ONE PILL A DAY WOULD BE NICE) SPECIALLY DESIGNED TO MAXIMIZE HAIR COLOUR AND QUALITY/HAIR GROWTH.

Some of the ingredients i suggest for this supplement: DMAE, PABA, INOSITOL, PANTOTHENIC ACID, B-COMPLEX VITAMINS, COPPER, ETC.

I'M SURE IT WOULD BE A BESTSELLER.
-Durk and Sandy have created Root Food http://lef.org/newshop/items/item00241.html but it is not designed to repigment hair. - Moderator
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  		   Posted 6/6/2005 3:47 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
here are some QUESTIONs FOR OUR MODERATOR:

Is AMBER talking the true?

DOES LEF HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF any "antidote" for gray hair IN THE PROCESS OF PATENTING?

IF ITS TRUE, Will IT be sold by LEF?

THANX
 
1.  Unknown
2.  No
3.  Unknown
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  		   Posted 6/10/2005 3:39 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here's an excerpt from a blog run by an immunologist.  Lots of good information there.
 
 
In the following article, scientists found that there are melatonin receptors on the hair follicles. This study was done in women, but the same science applies to men as well.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14996107 

Melatonin works in a number of ways. First, melatonin is a powerful antioxidant, and free radicals can definitely damage hair follicles. However, antioxidants per se do not induce hair regrowth or change hair color. Melatonin is specifically stimulating these changes. As we age, our ability to make melatonin decreases as our hair thins out and turns grey. Melatonin supplements can reverse these changes . . .

Melatonin can be applied directly to the scalp in large quantities. Melatonin is non-toxic in general, but this method of application is much better since it is targeted.

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  		   Posted 6/10/2005 4:53 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good Find!

I've heard it's effective as a sunscreen also.  Any good liquid melatonins out there?
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  		   Posted 6/12/2005 9:16 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Grey-hair blues could fade away
June 20, 1997 London--HATE that grey? Desmond Tobin may be able to make it go away.
The Bradford University scientist has made a discovery that may mean one day people won't have to go grey, if they don't want to. And those already grey would be able to reverse the process . . . But don't cancel next week's touch-up appointment, or throw out the Grecian Formula. It could take a decade or two for Tobin's discovery to make it to a drugstore near you.
http://www.robertcraig.com/hairnews.html
 
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  		   Posted 6/12/2005 9:18 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
hello there

I'VE FOUND A VERY, VERY INTERESTING PATENT (SEE US PATENT APPLICATION Nº20040170702 AT US PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE WEB SITE) DIRECTLY RELATED TO GRAY HAIR CORRECTION BY NUTRTIONAL MEANS.

PLEASE, PLEASE CHECK IT OUT! LOTS OF INTERESTING AND SCIENTIFICALY SOUND INFORMATION!
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  		   Posted 6/12/2005 9:22 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What about Amber post? Too many days without any clue. We'll be waiting.
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  		   Posted 6/13/2005 2:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Back to the Melatonin,

Has this worked and is there a good liquid form available?

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  		   Posted 6/15/2005 9:12 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would be very careful with "topical melatonin" if only for the reason that pure melatonin is very strong and (in some situations) related chemicals in high doses can act as poisons because they mimic other biologically active nerve chemicals like serotonin.

The highest dose of melatonin I've heard of being used was 10 mg (and this was to prevent cell death in 'blue babies' - it worked.)

I'd wait this one out until you see toxicology data ...
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  		   Posted 6/15/2005 9:15 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Tthe patent refers to a product called recouler, which is a vitamin tablet containing:

copper, zinc, vitamin B12, folic acid, vitamin C and pantothenic acid.

This product is intended for vitiligo sufferers (depigmentation of skin) but has the ability to repigment hair as well.

On the website www.recouleur.com it makes an interesting point when it says not to consume dairy as dairy impairs copper absorption. Which could be the missing key to people who have supplemented with such vitamins before.

Recouleur seems quite cheap compared to others, only about $90 for a 6 month supply, which is quite reasonable compared to such rip offs as melancor and has larger quantities of vitamins in each tablet. Maybe a combination of recouleur and a DMAE supplement would be appropriate.

I am a 20 year old sufferer of grey hair and have been searching for a solution for probably a couple of months. I have tried melancor and it did very little if anything. I have had some results with a mens performance multivitamin which i have been taking for a month and contains similair vitamins to recouleur but in smaller doses. In my opinion this would probably be the most effective supplement around (recouleur) and well worth a try especially taking the price into consideration. Although you could supplement through other means I think the secret is no dairy. I stopped drinking cows milk on my doctors advice about 2 months ago (drink soy if you have to) and I have cut other dairy sources significantly and I beleive it is contributing to my results.

 

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  		   Posted 6/19/2005 5:32 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Back in 1997, (see www.pharmcast.com/Patents  ) Li;Lingna and Lishko;Valeri, filled a patent (United States patent nº 6,224,901) which described a method based on the use of liposomes for selective delivery of beneficial compounds to hair follicles.

According to the authors these technique could be used to correct gray hair by introduction of melanin or other colouring compounds into the hair follicles.

What has happened since 1997? No new developments?

Why has this idea (still) not been used for correction of gray hair?

thanx
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  		   Posted 6/19/2005 5:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
nicky said...
I would be very careful with "topical melatonin" if only for the reason that pure melatonin is very strong and (in some situations) related chemicals in high doses can act as poisons because they mimic other biologically active nerve chemicals like serotonin.

The highest dose of melatonin I've heard of being used was 10 mg (and this was to prevent cell death in 'blue babies' - it worked.)

I'd wait this one out until you see toxicology data ...
Nope. 
 
Melatonin is not only very nontoxic,
but it is also a detoxifier itself,
reducing the toxicity of drugs:
aluminum,
and mercury
 
 
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  		   Posted 6/19/2005 5:37 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Will recouleur be another rip off like melancor? I don't know, but I'm afraid yes. But of course, is cheaper.
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  		   Posted 6/19/2005 5:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hello greyboy

THE INGREDIENTS OF RECOULEUR ARE EXACTLY THE SAME INDICATED IN THE US PATENT-> US PATENT APPLICATION Nº20040170702 AT US PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE WEB SITE)- I REFERED IN THIS FORUM!

PLEASE GREYBOY CHECK THIS PATENT WHICH IS DESIGNED NOT ONLY FOR FOR VITILIGO BUT FOR GRAY HAIR ALSO.

IT SEEMS THIS SYNERGISTIC COMBINATION OF SIX INGREDIENTS: VITAMIN C, FOLIC ACID. VITAMIN B12, PANTOTHENIC ACID, ZINC AND COPPER MAXIMIZES MELANIN PRODUCTION. ITS ALL WELL EXPLAINED IN THE PATENT APPLICATION.
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  		   Posted 6/20/2005 2:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
alfax said...
Back in 1997, (see www.pharmcast.com/Patents  ) Li;Lingna and Lishko;Valeri, filled a patent (United States patent nº 6,224,901) which described a method based on the use of liposomes for selective delivery of beneficial compounds to hair follicles.

According to the authors these technique could be used to correct gray hair by introduction of melanin or other colouring compounds into the hair follicles.

What has happened since 1997? No new developments?

Why has this idea (still) not been used for correction of gray hair?

thanx
This doesn't seem like the greatest solution.  I am all for liposome research but using melanin to correct the missing hair color is really just another dye effect  (We each have our own colors of melanin).  Why not use substances designed to wake up the dormant melanocytes or repopulate the missing ones?
 
The body regenerates but this occurs slower and slower as we age.  I am presently more interested in regeneration research than in another way to color the hairs and cover up the underlying lack of proper body function.  (Some would argue that this IS proper body function at an older age -- but I disagree).
 
I want to fix the problem at the root (pun intended) and not just cover it up! 
 
 
 
 
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  		   Posted 6/20/2005 6:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Appparently it was also in 1997(!!) that Desmond Tobin (see Rivera's reply in this topic) designed a technique to "wake-up" melanocytes!!

But it seems that we'll have to wait perhaps more than 10 years for commercial application.

Does anyone know of any new developments iin this area of research?
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  		   Posted 6/27/2005 3:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Source for bulk melatonin powder:
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/10420/SLM1111

Now remember you experimental types... 1G = 1000 mg so be CAREFUL.

To make a 1% solution (like in the study) you need 10mg/ml so that
is enough for 100 ml or 3.38140226 fluid ounces.

Of course I have no idea how solutable this stuff is so we will see.  However, I beleive the idea is to keep it topical and so perhaps a colloid would be good enough.
 
 
Update: Even cheaper source: http://www.agscientific.com/Item/M1040.htm
5g for $100.00 that 5000mg enough for 1/2 liter (500ML) of 1% solution.
 

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  		   Posted 6/27/2005 3:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Another interesting patent document: 20050049268

As most of you will probably know a couple of years ago french doctors found that cancer patients that were given the drug gleevec exhibited progressive hair repigmentation. The doctors stated they would investigate the findings and it seems that they might be very close to a product that prevents and reverses depigmented hair. The patent was filed in march this year so if anyone can find more information I would be very interested.

alfax - I found recouleur after doing a search on the inventor of the patent that you pointed out in earlier posts. This is the product that she sells. It is only fairly new to the market and from my searches she seems to be getting alot of praise for her work. Well worth a try in my opinion.

So all up it is a bright future for those of us who don't want grey hair. :-)


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  		   Posted 6/28/2005 12:28 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
UNFORTUNATELY ONLY 9.5% OF THE 133 PEOPLE ON GLEEVEC REPIGMENTED THEIR HAIR (AFTER 6-12 MONTHS OR MORE OF DAILY USAGE). AND THIS DRUG HAS SOME SERIOUS SIDE-EFFECTS.

IT SEEMS THAT PABA HAD SIMILAR RESULTS BACK IN THE 1940s.

STILL A LONG WAY TO GO FOR A REALLY EFFECTIVE ANTIDOTE FOR GRAY HAIR.

LETS HOPE AMBER IS NOT JOKING WITH US...
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  		   Posted 8/17/2005 12:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Fish Oil?
 
This is more than 2 years old so I was wondering if there has been any new information on the use of fish oil to combat greying hair.
 
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Another Fish Oil Tale Of Gray Hair Gone

08/04/2003
 
Q. I have been taking fish oil concentrate for heart health. After reading other readers' comments on fish oil restoring their hair to its original color, I checked mine in the bright sunlight. Lo and behold, a lot of my gray is gone. I have bleached my hair for years, but the new root growth, which was mostly gray, is now brown. Amazing!
 
A. We agree with you that these tales are amazing. We don't know quite what to make of them. We wouldn't suggest someone start taking fish oil with the expectation that it would reverse the graying process. But as you point out, there may be other reasons to take fish oil. If gray hair changes back to its original color as a side effect, so much the better.
 
 
 
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  		   Posted 8/18/2005 11:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hasn't done a thing for mine and I've been taking it for years...
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  		   Posted 8/18/2005 2:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I am 70 and have delayed the greying by massaging it every time in the shower with a plastic massager. I began when I was about 40. On one side it has a handle and the other side has about 100 hundred flexible 1 inch long fingers.
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  		   Posted 8/19/2005 11:15 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
AMBER:

WE ARE WAITING NEWS about YOUR "ANTI GRAY-HAIR" PRODUCT.

LET'S SEE IF U "WALK THE TALK".
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Hello everyone. I'm a 35 year old male. Often mistaken for 25. However, my first real external sign of aging has ocurred - facial grey starting at 30. Its beginning to pick up momentum in the goatee. What's the verdict on reversal? I'm reading some encouraging things here. Was about to buy a product called Dr. Shen's but want to hold off unil I research the best options. Anyone here had any significant rollback of facial grey?
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