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Alessio
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Posted 8/13/2007 9:49 AM (GMT -5)

I have read this quote to. That said dr. Bruno Bernard head of hair biology at L'Oreal, the same claims also Dr. Chris Gummer from Proctor&Gamble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3752785.stm

http://www.britainusa.com/sections/articles_show_nt1.asp?d=0&i=41086&L1=0&L2=0&a=24990

But I think that genetics will provide cure first.

Here is an interesting article.

http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Health/Genetics_And_Gray_Hair_134798.html

Has anyone got a clue how long it ussually takes that your grey hair to become white? How long melanocytes usually survive in grey hair?

Alessio
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Posted 8/13/2007 10:00 AM (GMT -5)

It looks like that GENETICS AND GRAY HAIR is another internet hoax.

Here is the article you talk about StarGazer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/menshealth.html?in_article_id=304577&in_page_id=1800&in_a_source=

It would be ql that the cure will be out in 2 or 3 years!!

gotsomegray
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Posted 8/15/2007 5:27 PM (GMT -5)

Alessio said...
Gotsomegray have you checked the date of this publication? I believe that Loreal have discover this molecule at least 3 or 4 years ago and so far no progress have been made. I pesonally do not have any hope more that any cosmetic company will provide us the cure anytime soon. Perhaps in decade or so.

I have no idea of the date of that publication. I check out L'Oreal's website every six months or so and I did not remember reading that before on their website or posted by someone else on this forum.

One of the gray hair reversal methods that seems to be well-liked across internet message boards is black strap molasses. When I have some more time I may scan through this forum to see what people have posted on the topic. I know it has been mentioned before.

Alessio
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Posted 8/16/2007 3:12 PM (GMT -5)

It`s at least one year old.

Here is something interesting from one article:

For example, white follicles taken from someone who has been grey-haired for a long time still have melanocytes. They are greatly reduced in number and dormant but manage to survive for decades. By exposing these melanocytes to peptides and/or chemicals, Dr. Tobin has persuaded them to repopulate and produce melanin — in vitro.

Next, he hopes to determine which environmental factors are particularly problematic for aging hair melanocytes. He thinks it could be a nutritional deficiency, a stem cell deficiency, the inability of melanocytes to migrate, an enzymatic factor or an inability to avoid oxidative damage.

jamesbb
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Posted 8/16/2007 10:18 PM (GMT -5)

im sure some one has already said this but perhaps some hair dye? nothing to be ashamed of i say.
thanks
jamesbb

Thanks for your time reading
Regards

Jamesbb

StarGazer
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Posted 8/18/2007 8:11 PM (GMT -5)

If we all just used hair dye, would there be any need for this thread?

We're not looking to look like 45 year old pimps.

JohnGellar
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Posted 8/18/2007 8:12 PM (GMT -5)

Hello,

I have reviewed the information for DMSO on www.dmso-use.com and I was wondering if somebody has experienced this medicine. Can we consider this as a common way of healing?

Thank you.

Alessio
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Posted 8/18/2007 8:13 PM (GMT -5)

An article from hair science:

"The strange and subtle chemistry of coloration is constantly evolving, and the desire to re-pigment white hair as naturally as possible has given birth to a radical new approach: biomimetics. This is by no means a misnomer since it actually does imitate a natural biological process, that of the final stage involved in creating melanin within the melanocytes . . .

The use of precursors identical to those found in nature broadens the scope of possible colors, which may yet be extended even further by this type of recomposed natural pigments."

Alessio
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Posted 8/26/2007 6:49 PM (GMT -5)

dLaeritos anything new by you? Have you achieved any more progress in reversing?

dLaertios
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Posted 8/26/2007 9:48 PM (GMT -5)

No nothing new.

Alessio
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Posted 8/31/2007 11:58 AM (GMT -5)

http://news.hairlosshelp.com/hair-loss-news/scientist-discovers-protein-in-anti-wrinkle-cream-that-thickens-hair-and-restores-natural-hair-color/

suz
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Posted 8/31/2007 1:28 PM (GMT -5)

Hello All,

I'm new here today, so I hope I'm posting properly. I can only say, from personal experience, taking one niacin and one biotin supplement a day, in about 3 months, I do believe you will see a difference. More is "not" better...so just be patient, and let us know, and good luck. My hair was getting a few greys, so a few years ago, I did these two supplements together, as I'd read somewhere, that the biotin is better received in the body when taken with the niacin, so I did it, and it's worked for me...and I still take them, and no greys.

StarGazer
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Posted 9/1/2007 6:22 PM (GMT -5)

suz -

Very interesting post. Please post details. How much biotin and how much niacin?

Thanks.

StinkyJoe
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Posted 9/3/2007 11:02 AM (GMT -5)

AussieDavid said...

. . . Also, back on page 1 of this forum I found the following post. I'm going to basically try and implement as many of the things in this post as possible. . . .

A blend of Retin-A combined with an (unspecified) alpha-hydroxy acid (applied topically to the scalp) is under investigation as a means of returning gray hair to its original color:

- This claim is made on the basis of reports from a New York dermatologist (Jim Baral) who claims to have restored his hair color to normal after accidentally smearing the mixture onto his scalp. His hair color remained normal one year after the incident.

It looks like nothing came of this discovery by an apparently well-respected New York dermatologist. But here is more info from the NY Times archives:

"Restoring Hair Color Without Using Dyes

Can the fountain of youth come in a tube? Perhaps, says Dr. Jim Baral, a dermatologist in Manhattan who has received a patent for what he says is the first method of restoring the original color to gray hair without dyes.

Dr. Baral had been using a blend of two creams thought to have anti-wrinkle properties -- retinoid and ammonium lactate -- for several months when he noticed that his face had begun to look tan and that the graying hair around his forehead had turned back to its original black."

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 9/3/2007 11:05:01 AM (GMT-4)

gotsomegray
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Posted 9/3/2007 11:09 AM (GMT -5)

suz said...
Hello All,

I'm new here today, so I hope I'm posting properly. I can only say, from personal experience, taking one niacin and one biotin supplement a day, in about 3 months, I do believe you will see a difference. More is "not" better...so just be patient, and let us know, and good luck. My hair was getting a few greys, so a few years ago, I did these two supplements together, as I'd read somewhere, that the biotin is better received in the body when taken with the niacin, so I did it, and it's worked for me...and I still take them, and no greys.

Suz,

Thanks for the info! I'm always open to hearing new ideas on how people have reversed or prevented gray hair. Nothing has worked for me yet, but I'm far from giving up hope.

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 9/3/2007 1:37 PM (GMT -5)

guys, what do you think about Ultra H-3:

http://secure.unikeyhealth.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=123

"Do you have a low sex drive? Do you suffer from depression? Do you have low energy and fatigue? Arthritis, aches and pain? Memory loss? Insomnia? Graying hair?"

"Supported by over 300 clinical studies and thousands of testimonials, UNI KEY'S ULTRA H-3 is highly regarded as "The Fountain of Youth." ULTRA H-3 is the ONLY patented procaine-based GH-3 type formula on the market today. GH-3 was originally popularized by the renowned physician Dr. Ana Aslan in Romania over 50 years ago. "

"ULTRA H-3's patented process provides 6 times more of the bioavailable procaine nutrients than the original injectable formulation at a fraction of the cost. To further target delivery, ULTRA H-3 contains standardized bilberry and ginkgo extracts to increase the circulation to the brain. "

Gaizz
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Posted 9/3/2007 3:59 PM (GMT -5)

StinkyJoe said...

AussieDavid said...

. . . Also, back on page 1 of this forum I found the following post. I'm going to basically try and implement as many of the things in this post as possible. . . .
NY Times archives</A>:</B>

"Restoring Hair Color Without Using Dyes

Can the fountain of youth come in a tube? Perhaps, says Dr. Jim Baral, a dermatologist in Manhattan who has received a patent for what he says is the first method of restoring the original color to gray hair without dyes.

Dr. Baral had been using a blend of two creams thought to have anti-wrinkle properties -- and ammonium lactate -- for several months when he noticed that his face had begun to look tan and that the graying hair around his forehead had turned back to its original black."

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5273739-description.html

brm
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Posted 9/3/2007 5:49 PM (GMT -5)

GH3 has already been discussed here, including the seemingly real deal, from Romania. I don't remember that users had noticed anything positive with this (ask Aussie David). Moreover, the American substitute for this product is more or less devoid of the real ingredient since I believe that GH3 is forbidden on the US land.
How much niacin? Niacin is vit B3.

My regimen is as unsuccessful as ever: black sesame, copper peptides (once every fourth day), specific formula in caps (with copper gluconate), amla oil, coconut oil, ho shou wuh, topical retinoic acid (low concentration though) and some others I must forget. All this for the past year or so. The only thing that slightly changes the color of my hair is topical copper peptides that turn it... greenish.

I'm beginning blackstrap molasses + brewer's yeast next wednesday. I may consider bimatoprost as well since I can get some. But the concentration to achieve seems high and impossible from the simple 3 ml lumigan bottle. And I had planned to test it on facial hair first but the thing is said to tan patches of skin permanently so....I'm a bit reluctant.

Alessio
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Posted 9/3/2007 6:11 PM (GMT -5)

I also take niacin and biotin for about 4 months now. I take 162 ug biotin daily and 15 mg niacin daily. Is that enough?

StinkyJoe
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Posted 9/4/2007 9:35 AM (GMT -5)

Here is an anecdotal report of high-dose oral iodine partially restoring hair color in both husband and wife.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=854563

Alessio
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Posted 9/4/2007 9:35 AM (GMT -5)

http://www.pharmadiscount.com/index.htm?prod=cat/c1s30.htm#4681

anyone good in france language???

AussieDavid
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Posted 9/4/2007 9:56 AM (GMT -5)

I've also recently added blackstrap molasses to my program. I heat up a mug of milk in the microwave for 2 mins, then stir one teaspoon scoop of molasses into the milk. Makes a latte coloured drink that doesn't taste too bad. I'm also getting a topical solution made up with clove oil and SODzyme.

I'm cutting back on my supplements.....eliminating some and reducing the dose of others. I've posted my program here http://forum.lef.org/default.aspx?f=35&m=39287 I'm seriously concerned about the things that have been happening to my body since I started taking so many supplements.

I did just last week find another hair that was coloured at the base and grey at the tip. This is the first one since last year, so I am again convinced that it is possible to reverse some grey hair. Unfortunately I continue to see more and more grey and less pigmented hair.

brm
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Posted 9/4/2007 1:52 PM (GMT -5)

Alessio said...
http://www.pharmadiscount.com/index.htm?prod=cat/c1s30.htm#4681

anyone good in france language???

I'd be willing to help you. But this window simply won't open on my computer. Enclose the content as an attached file in a post (attachment manager) or copy directly.

brm
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Posted 9/4/2007 3:21 PM (GMT -5)

Alessio said...
http://www.pharmadiscount.com/index.htm?prod=cat/c1s30.htm#4681

anyone good in france language???

Yes I've got it now. Well this is the usual stuff sold by Loreal (you can find the same at Schwatzkopf). There's no lead acetate in this one. It is not the magic bullet that we're awaiting but... It is not hair dye either so maybe a better alternative than grecian 2000. Well, I'll have a look at it at the shop round the corner tomorrow or so. I remember seeing it on the shelves.

StarGazer
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Posted 9/4/2007 6:49 PM (GMT -5)

Thanks to whoever posted this patent. I've been trying to find out exactly what Dr. Baral (as posted a few days ago) used for his AHA/Retin-A concoction for years!!!

Now I know! At the very least, it seems to tan the face. It does work for grey hair in some cases.

Lac Hydrin is over the counter - no script needed. I just did a search and it can be found all over the Internet and delivered to your door. Retin-A is very easy to get. This is all spelled out for us!

Here's the patent number: 5273739

Just type the patent number in here:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

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