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zorba990
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| Posted 9/5/2007 9:34 AM (GMT -5) |   | Hmm. I wonder why the author in that patent keeps using suntanned in quotes, e.g. "suntanned". Is he implying that the effect is not melanin related but rather a dyeing effect? DHA (sunless tanner) will color hair also but the rection has nothing to do with melanin (in the case of DHA). Of course a better sunless tanner is always welcome...
It will be interesting to see what results are obtained by this. Retin-A and Lac-Hydrin each contain warnings about increased UV sensitivity so I'd be a bit concerned about using them together without sunblock. | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/5/2007 9:34 AM (GMT -5) | | Here are several approaches to treating grey hair:
Oral Nutritional Treatments For Grey Hair:
By replacing deficient vitamins and minerals, greying of hair may be prevented, slowed or reversed.
Vitamin B12 - can be taken in tablet form.
Omega 3 - capsules and can be applied topically.
Minerals –calcium, copper and zinc supplementation sometimes delays the onset of gray hair.
Biotin - delays the onset of gray hair and may retard the further progression of gray hair.
Folic acid - helps to prevent gray hair.
Inositol - has a protective effect on hair follicles and via this protection of hair follicles it sometimes prevents or halts the progression of gray hair.
PABA - in approximately 10-25% of cases, para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA) use causes gray or white hair to darken toward its original color (6-24 grams per day is required). Clinical trials support this claim.
-200 mg of PABA per day for two months resulted in marked darkening of the hair in nearly all participants.
-200 mg of PABA combined with 100 mg of calcium pantothenate and 50 mg of Brewer’s yeast per day for eight months caused significant hair color change in only two patients out of 33.
-6-24 grams of PABA per day for six weeks caused dramatic hair color change and hair regrowth in 5 patients out of 20. With markedly grey hair (hair color returned to grey within three to four weeks of ceasing PABA treatment).
HGH - there are many reliable anecdotal reports claiming that human growth hormone (HGH) replacement therapy has restored normal hair color to grey hair.
L-Tyrosine - Tyrosine is necessary for melanin formation. A product known as Gleevec, which reversed gray hair in some people who used it, is a tyrosine kinase inhibitor.
DMAE - DMAE may not only affect coloring, but also have a possible use in maintaining or restoring hair growth:
Calorie restriction or fasting - could slow down the graying of hair.
Fo-Ti - herb
Jiaogulan (gynostemma) tea - reported to have a repigmentation effect if used for several months.
Topical Nutrient Application For Grey Hair
Retin-A combined with AHA (alpha-hydroxy acid) - applied topically to the scalp is under investigation as a means of returning grey hair to its original color. (New York dermatologist, Jim Baral - claims to have restored his hair color to normal after accidentally smearing the mixture onto his scalp. His hair color remained normal one year after the incident.)
SOD (superoxide dismutase) compound - proposes to protect against graying, found in some gels.
Omega-3 rich shampoo - works by penetrating deep into the hair follicle to deliver unprecedented nutrition to keep the hair follicle in its original colour.
Pigments - Melanin can be encapsulated within liposomes and applied topically to the scalp in order to deliver melanin to the cells of hair follicles where it is then utilized endogenously to "pump" melanin which is responsible for hair color back into otherwise gray hair.
Eugenol Oil - the principal active ingredient in cloves and clove oil, applied topically to the scalp has been demonstrated to restore hair color.
Indian Amla Oil - enriches hair growth and pigmentation, and increases the strength of hair follicles.
Ashwagandha - helps to prevent and treat gray hair by increasing the melanin content of the hair.
Ligustrum - is used in China to prevent gray hair.
Medical and Pharmaceutical Drugs For Grey Hair
Auxins - Dihydroxyl-5,6-indole (applied topically) reverses gray hair. This occurs via dihydroxyl-5,6-indole functioning as a precursor molecule for the production of melanin via a slow oxidation process. This compound is not yet commercially-available.
Imatinib Mesylate - reverses gray hair (this drug causes many toxic side effects).
Anticancer drug Gleevec - reversed hair depigmentation as a side effect in some people in a study reported in a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine.
Hair stem cell replacement therapy – unproven as yet.
Cosmetic Treatments For Grey Hair
Semi-permanent dyes - made for coloring gray hair have small molecules which pass through the cuticle into the cortex without damaging the scales of the cuticle. If you are concerned about chemically-treating your hair, choose a non-ammonium vegetable colour, such as henna, instead.
Sage - strong infusion of 100 grams in 500 ml of water cosmetically disguises grey air.Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 9/5/2007 9:38:09 AM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
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Redneck Rivera
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| Posted 9/9/2007 4:38 PM (GMT -5) | |
brm said...
GH3 has already been discussed here, including the seemingly real deal, from Romania. I don't remember that users had noticed anything positive with this (ask Aussie David). Moreover, the American substitute for this product is more or less devoid of the real ingredient since I believe that GH3 is forbidden on the US land.
How much niacin? Niacin is vit B3.
I remember GH3 discussion...This is Ann Louise Gittleman's product - a well respected nutrion guru so I thought that it could be 'different' (wishful thinking?)...anyway, here is the ingredient list:
Procaine HCI - 100 mg
Ascorbic Acid - 25 mg
Citric Acid -25 mg
Niacin -16 mg
Folic acid - 0.4 mg
Biotin - 0.3 mg
Potassium - 11 mg
Magnesium - 4 mg
p.s. why the q. about niacin?
just fyi: here is what she says in her book about PABA: " It's used by doctors along with pantothenic acid and folic acid to bring back the color to graying hair, if stress or poor nutrition caused it." | | Back to Top | | |
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Redneck Rivera
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| Posted 9/9/2007 4:38 PM (GMT -5) | | zorba, are there any updates on your treatment? how are you doing these days? any extra results?
what do you think was the cause of your gray hair?
also, do you think copper applications would be usefull for someone with gray hair caused by stress or anxiety? | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/12/2007 10:01 AM (GMT -5) | | | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/13/2007 10:29 AM (GMT -5) | | I have post one question to the site Ask the geneticist, here is may question and the answer:
Question I`m 27 y old and prematurely grey. I have heard that gene therapy could soon be commercially available to restore the natural colour of the hair. So I was wondering how soon most likely, if even possible, will treatments like this be available? Are there any other commercially available treatments exept dyes?
Answer Gene therapy has been used in one study (published in 2000) to correct a mutation that causes albinism (and the loss of hair pigment) in albino mice. Hair pigmentation lasted about 3 months. An article summarizing the study can be found at: http://www.webmd.com/news/20000110/could-gene-therapy-make-gray-go-away . Although additional research is ongoing, applications in humans are likely several years away. You may wish to search at www.clinicaltrials.gov for current studies on hair pigmentation restoration. | | Back to Top | | |
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Rob3
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| Posted 9/17/2007 10:12 AM (GMT -5) | | | | |
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likedarkhair
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| Posted 9/17/2007 10:22 AM (GMT -5) | | Dear Folks
I have been reading your posts for while now. Very inspiring, I am amazed at some of your posts and I admire your enthusiasm to experiment. I have tried tons of things in the past to reverse to dark hair, with no success.
I have recently started using a laser comb purchased for close to a $100. It seems like some new dark hair is growing on the sides(?), but hair is certainly getting thicker. I am in my early forties, and determined to have dark hair till I am 80!
I found a product on the web-mag-gro, it seems promising. I wonder if anyone has tried it, do check out the testimonials
http://www.getnewhairnow.com/
LDH | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/17/2007 4:42 PM (GMT -5) | | I have send one email to dr. Bruno Bernard the haed of L`Oreal hair science about when he expect that Auxins - Dihydroxyl-5,6-indole will e commercially available.
He do not know when this product will be available. | | Back to Top | | |
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dLaertios
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| Posted 9/19/2007 3:28 PM (GMT -5) | | http://www.getnewhairnow.com/
sounds promising but again the inventor has grey at least http://www.getnewhairnow.com/about.php .
Anyway I intend to order it as I believe that blood flow has to do with melanin production and that device will work to some extend. Also have you observed that bald people with saved head have thinner skin to their balding areas? Also, only two minutes a day is nothing I 'll put it to my desk to remember.
The other product seems promising too.
www.suregamat.com/index.html - follow that link. Dirty cheap also. I would like to give it a try too. | | Back to Top | | |
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brm
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| Posted 9/19/2007 5:05 PM (GMT -5) | | | This mag gro thing is a derma roller 2.0 This deviceis well known to baldies. I don't use any roller but a glass dropper whose end I broke into a sharpened stimulator. I prickle my scalp five minutes a day with this aftr putting essential oils. Been doing so for one year. I can tell you that it doesn't do a thing against my grey. I think it helps before applying anti hairloss topicals though. It is a bit like the "scalp exercises" of Tom Hagherty or something.. | | Back to Top | | |
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likedarkhair
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| Posted 9/20/2007 9:33 AM (GMT -5) | | Magpro:
I am wondering if the magnet can attract blood to the area, and hence increase nutrient supply. It would the same as any other form of blood supply increase- vasodilators can also have that effect.
For that matter a low laser light should also work! Unless the magnet does something more.
Suregamat does sound good..
There is not too much information on either of them..
LDH | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/20/2007 9:41 AM (GMT -5) | | Brm have you checked this L`Oreal product. How it works? Is it a colour?
dLaertios I doubt that blood flow has anything to do with melanin production, because my dermatologist said to me that my blood flow in head and scalp is high what is shown in redness of my skin when I do sport. But I so posted that it is connected with the baldness because I have head full of hair but they are going grey.
I have cut my hair today and I think that I have the same amount of grey hair then in january. Is it due to a lot of antioxidants and vitamin C? I also daily drink green tea and take vitamins for hair (with zinc, baker, and some other ingredients which sopposed to slow down the greying procces.
What do you think about the respond of dr. Bruno Bernard to my question? He don't know when auinxs will be available on the market but he hasn`t denied the existance of it. | | Back to Top | | |
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reverse
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| Posted 9/20/2007 11:47 AM (GMT -5) | | | I'm a bit confused:
L'Oreal's website has updated their hair science section to include this hopeful post:
"The strange and subtle chemistry of coloration is constantly evolving, and the desire to re-pigment white hair as naturally as possible has given birth to a radical new approach: biomimetics . This is by no means a misnomer since it actually does imitate a natural biological process, that of the final stage involved in creating melanin within the melanocytes . . . "
" . . . The use of precursors identical to those found in nature broadens the scope of possible colors, which may yet be extended even further by this type of recomposed natural pigments."
Sounds promising.
Alessio posted a link to a "pharmamed?" store that carries a product called L'Oreal Progress. I translated the description and this product contains dihydroxyindole.
Now is this the big breakthrough from L'Oreal? I have not seen anything here in the States. Not even any marketing.
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Vincentvangogo
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| Posted 9/20/2007 4:12 PM (GMT -5) | | | DLaertios, the testimonials of the Suregamat look very dubious to me, suspiciously similar even in their grammatical mistakes. I clicked the 'authorize now, verfied seller' icon on the Getnewhairhow roller product and it said 'unable to verify merchant. I may be wrong but both look like scams to me. | | Back to Top | | |
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Alessio
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| Posted 9/20/2007 4:42 PM (GMT -5) | | Reverse this is not the breakthrough from L`Oreal because this is not the same dihydroxyindole. And as I have said I have contacted Dr. Bruno Bernard the head of L`Oreal research and asked him when this molecule for melanin will be commercially available. And he does not know when it will be available.
http://www.antiaging-wellness.com/Pages/Treatments/Hair/grey_hair.php
On this site you can find some medical drugs to reverse grey hair, here is also something about AUXINS, the revulutionary discovery from L`Oreal. And that supposed to reversed grey hair and it is not yet commercially available. I do not know why, perhaps there are several side effects or what. | | Back to Top | | |
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likedarkhair
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| Posted 9/20/2007 8:02 PM (GMT -5) | | Hi
Here is the reply for my questions form DC Anderson, the mag-gro inventor.
He claims that its the compression that does it!!
LDH
Read below
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Subject: grey hair
:My email:
>Do you have any pictures. for before/after?
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>Any more information on how color is restored?
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>How is this device different from a low level laser that also
>increase blood flow to the hair?
>Thanks
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REPLY
>Domain: www.getnewhairnow.com
Mag-Gro impacts the individual hair follicle in three ways, massage,
whole-earth magnetic field, and compression. The compression is what
impacts hair color the most.
Please read the attached article from Harvard University and you will
understand more about Mag-Gro impact on hair color.
A perfect example concerning the duplicitous nature of the hair care
industry would be your interest in seeing before and after pictures.
If you stop and think for second you will realize that NO hair
product on the market today - with the possible exception of Propecia
which is hormonal - will generate hair out of bald areas. None. So if
there is no new hair growth what good is a before and after pictures.
In fact, these pictures are all used to confuse the consumer and make
you think something is happening when it really isn't. In fact, by
using different types of lenses and varying the strength of the
flash, the "before and after" picture can be taken on the same day.
When I say hair I am referring to full size and fully pigmented hair.
Most of the minoxidil based products will generate vellis hair -
short white hairs that grow to 1/4" only - but they CAN NOT generate
full size and fully colored hair.
Mag-Gro will generate full size and fully pigmented hair. It will
increase hair shine and it will put color back into hair. (The later
happens slowly depending on how much color has been lost before you
begin using Mag-Gro.)
But if you really want a surprise, come to our home page and click
compare costs. That should make your decision very easy.
Regards,
D.C. Anderson | | Back to Top | | |
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likedarkhair
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| Posted 9/21/2007 8:09 PM (GMT -5) | | I am not trying to market any product, I was merely trying to share opinons on how different products work, I think I am entitled to that on this forum.
I have nothing to gain by advertising for any product!! | | Back to Top | | |
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reverse
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| Posted 9/27/2007 1:35 PM (GMT -5) | | | It's too bad L'Oreal won't reveal any info on when this product will be out. | | Back to Top | | |
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Redneck Rivera
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| Posted 9/27/2007 1:49 PM (GMT -5) | | another product - "Oleda Restorative Hair Color Helpers" :
http://www.oleda.com/prodinfo.asp?number=R90&OVRAW=reverse%20gray%20hair&OVKEY=reverse%20gray%20hair&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=953557022&OVKWID=4812836022 | | Back to Top | | |
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Taoist
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| Posted 9/27/2007 1:52 PM (GMT -5) | |
1- Your login name is "Ilikedarkhair"
2- Your posts sound like adverts.
3- The science behind the product sounds like BS.
3- If this product was even remotely successful, it would be taking the world by storm...
Reviewing the above points I would agree with AussieDavids comments....
likedarkhair said...
I am not trying to market any product, I was merely trying to share opinons on how different products work, I think I am entitled to that on this forum.
I have nothing to gain by advertising for any product!! | | Back to Top | | |
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