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Redneck Rivera
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Posted 2/24/2008 6:09 PM (GMT -5)

how about this one?:

Hair Rejuvenation & Darkening Tonic:

http://curingherbs.com/hair_Rejuvenation_Darkening_Tonic.htm

Ingredients: Radix Ginseng; Radix Ploygony Multifori; Radix Rehmanniae Praeparata; Radix Rehmanniae; Radix Codonopsis Pilosulae; Fructus Meliae Toosendan; Fructus Ligustri Lucidi; Radix Angelicae Sinensis; Rhizomaseu Radix Notopterygii; Radix Achyranthis Bidentatae;Poria; Fructus Mori; Fructus Lucii; Colla Corii Asina; Radix Paeoniae Alba; Rhizoma Gastrodiae; Fructus Chaenomelis; Rhizoma Ligustici Chuanxiong.

reverse
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Posted 2/26/2008 11:46 AM (GMT -5)

Check this out:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=%28chromosome+AND+loreal%29&OS=chromosome+and+loreal&RS=(chromosome+AND+loreal)

Any scholars or scientists on this forum willing to decipher that patent for us? Any idea on how long a product takes to become commercially available after a patent is applied for?

Redneck Rivera
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Posted 3/4/2008 11:00 AM (GMT -5)

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6149933.html

lad
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Posted 3/6/2008 2:09 PM (GMT -5)

" PSORINUM in 1M potency once a week for the reversal of premature greying hair"

PREMATURE greying...the escape clause for most of these remedies!

If you are 20-something, then "premature" probably applies.

But middle aged?...u r out of luck!

Post Edited (lad) : 3/18/2008 12:09:27 PM (GMT-4)

rick30
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Posted 3/19/2008 1:28 PM (GMT -5)

Added L-tyrosine to my regime but Im still seeing more grey poppin up

Regime

Melancor (for about 7-8 months)

MSM 1-2g daily (about 5 months)

DMAE 100mg (maybe 2 months)

Omega-3 (for a couple of years)

L-tyrosine 500 mg (1 week)

tricomin copper on my hairline and temples 2/day

I think I'm using most of the supplements out there so I'm running out of ammo.

Thinking of adding melatonin orally, anybody has any info on this, could it help? At least it could hopefully help me sleep better. :)

Post Edited (rick30) : 3/19/2008 8:36:34 PM (GMT-4)

gotsomegray
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Posted 3/20/2008 9:14 AM (GMT -5)

My opinion is that melatonin sure couldn't hurt. Between 2 - 4 mg per day is supposed to be good for helping with sleep. I don't know if there is a direct correlation to gray hair or not, but sleeping well and keeping everything in balance is probably a step in the right direction if nothing else.

I'm still on my regimen of blackstrap molasses, vitamin C, and B-complex. Every once in a while I think I see progress, but definitely nothing conclusive.

rick30
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Posted 3/20/2008 9:49 AM (GMT -5)

SoCalGal said...
Here's an excerpt from a blog run by an immunologist. Lots of good information there.

http://grouppekurosawa.com/blog/2005/03/regrow-hair-naturally-while-changing.htm

In the following article, scientists found that there are melatonin receptors on the hair follicles. This study was done in women, but the same science applies to men as well.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14996107

Melatonin works in a number of ways. First, melatonin is a powerful antioxidant, and free radicals can definitely damage hair follicles. However, antioxidants per se do not induce hair regrowth or change hair color. Melatonin is specifically stimulating these changes. As we age, our ability to make melatonin decreases as our hair thins out and turns grey. Melatonin supplements can reverse these changes . . .

Melatonin can be applied directly to the scalp in large quantities. Melatonin is non-toxic in general, but this method of application is much better since it is targeted.

a qoute from this thread about melatonin

rick30
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Posted 3/20/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -5)

Just got my hair cut today and I can't belive how many grays I'm seeing on the front and on my sides, my beard is still dark though.

Im buzzed on the sides and pretty short hair on top, a little navy look I guess. I'm thinking of shaving it totally down to 1 mm but I'm concerned that it will make my gray hair more visible, now I can at least use grecian to cover some of the grey hair (it's harder on the sides where it's buzzed to about 3 mm).

I think I would look at least decent with a shaved head as I'm pretty buffed.

So will shaving my hair make the grey more visible, has anybody done that?

lad
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Posted 3/20/2008 10:28 AM (GMT -5)

If you have only a little grey, then longer, darker hairs can cover it. But if it's more visible, then shaving may be advised. I trim my goatee down to just more than a 5 O'clock shadow to hide the grey. The only thing is, my wife once though I had some crumbs on the side of my face when she was the tiny white nubs on my jaw in a certain light!

zorba990
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Posted 3/20/2008 10:56 PM (GMT -5)

gotsomegray said...

I'm still on my regimen of blackstrap molasses, vitamin C, and B-complex. Every once in a while I think I see progress, but definitely nothing conclusive.

I think it helps (both orally and topically). In addition both uses confer some UV protection to a degree. I think that another pineal peptide, epitalon, would have even more striking effects. Of course restoring normal pineal functioning through decalcification/detoxification/reactivation is more ideal. Isn't that one of the objections to fluoride in the water systems? An old myth states that Tibetan monks have less pineal calcification due to the use of frankincense (not sure if this is through inhalation, oral or other - maybe sniffing the essential oil would have the same effect).

StarGazer
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Posted 3/22/2008 7:19 PM (GMT -5)

Saw an Internet post where a guy claimed he has been using kambucha tea for a couple months and his grey hair is disappearing. Apparently a friend recommended he try it.

The post sounds very legit.

He said, "I use the concentrate form from pronaturals that I buy at my health food store. It comes in a small bottle and you put 20-25 drops in a glass of water and drink it. I take two glasses a day, AM - PM."

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Wondering if anyone out there has tried kambucha tea or heard anything about it. I've never heard of it.

lad
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Posted 3/24/2008 9:27 AM (GMT -5)

It's not likely anything too exotic. Kombucha is supposed to be loaded with B-vitamins, including PABA (which incidently does reverse "premature grey hair" in a small percentage of people).

brm
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Posted 3/24/2008 5:16 PM (GMT -5)

Again, melatonin in vitro has rather been associated with an acceleration of the graying process. See: 1) "Post-tyrosinase inhibition of melanogenesis by melatonin in Hair Follicles in vitro" by Logan and Weatherhead. 2) "Hypothesis: possible role for the melatonin receptor in vitiligo: discussion paper" by Slominski, Paus and Bomirski.

I personally tried it last year for 3 months (topically). Saw no improvement, rather a worsening situation.I then used it for 2 months in my armpit (as a control). I must say that I haven't seen any grey hair appear there. So the thing is truly without any effect altogether.

mtrobee
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Posted 4/2/2008 9:22 AM (GMT -5)

Hi All,

I have made a vitamin supplement for greying hair called MelanPlus. It went on the market 3/30/2008. I'm am curious what your thoughts might be. Also, I would like to for some of the people on the board here to try it out (at no cost). I would like to get your opinion on results. I am 47 years old and greying myself. I looked around at what vitamin choices where offered on the market and was disappointed in what i saw. I based my formula on:

L-tyrosine
he shou wu
beta-sitosterol
PABA

and to a lesser degree B-vitamins. I have no claim of a "miracle product" but wanted to produce something that would help my own hair as well as others. Check it out...I'd love to get your opinion on the effectiveness. www.melanplus.com

If you call me before 5/1/08, I will give you a bottle and ship it to you at no charge. [Ask for me (Mike) and say you saw this on the lef board.]

Sincerely,

Mike Trobee

AussieDavid
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Posted 4/4/2008 10:27 AM (GMT -5)

Mtrobee, you say that you make no claim of a 'miracle product', yet your website states "If you are looking for a guaranteed way to stop grey hair, look no further, MelanPlus if for you".

Exactly what scientific testing have you done to make that claim? It sounds like you've done some basic research, then thrown together some simple ingredients and are now going to rip people off with a useless product. Don't try to market it in Australia cause you'll end up with a federal law suit against you for false advertising.

Post Edited (AussieDavid) : 4/5/2008 7:18:33 AM (GMT-4)

brm
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Posted 4/7/2008 10:54 AM (GMT -5)

Aussie, this guy can't seriously be sued anywhere. Look at what his site reads (window name): "PREMATURE GREYING" After all these years, I believe PABA, Ho shou wuh, L-tyrosine do help those with premature greying, that is NONGENETIC premature greying, that is greying due to a poor life style and/or diet. For the likes of us, no hope. Only slowing the process down at best. What are your latest conclusions Aussie? Are you still on DHEA? How do you manage to fight the anti-libido effects of half a proscar daily? Has Dhea helped you sexwise? Do you think Proscar has depressing effects?

(I think I can't send or write any PM anymore. My OS system is too old and this site no longer updated for it.)

DDye
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Posted 4/7/2008 10:55 AM (GMT -5)

The PM function has been disabled on this site.

mtrobee
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Posted 4/7/2008 11:42 AM (GMT -5)

It never ceases to amaze me how touchy some are on message boards. Aussie, I am honestly trying to do some good. I believe in the product...as far as results....nobody has taken it for more than a month...it is brand new. I don't know how great the effectiveness will be yet. I do know many people have had good results with many of the individual ingredients. All I am trying to do is package a synergist blend that is cost effective. I would love to send you a bottle free to try

AussieDavid
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Posted 4/8/2008 10:01 AM (GMT -5)

Mtrobee, the problem is that you make a claim on your website that you can't substantiate with scientific research. Selling an un-proven product at $30 per month is simply ripping people off. In your post admit that you "don't know how great the effectiveness will be yet". Why don't you put that statement on your website, rather than the claim that your product is a "guaranteed way to stop grey hair". I doubt you would sell any at all if you told people on your website that the product is untested and the effectiveness is unknown. My guess is that it will probably be useless. Like I said, it seems to me like you have just thrown some 'hearsay' ingredients together and are marketing it with claims that have no scientific backing.

brm, in regards to the sueing bit, the laws are a lot tighter over here than in the USA. I'll gladly buy some so I can formally make a complaint to the Dept of Fair Trading. In regards to the DHEA, I stopped it ages ago....it was making my hair fall out. I'm still on Finasteride and don't really have much problem with side effects. There is a great hairloss forum at http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/index.php . I am currently using 15% minox on my hairline and 5% on the rest. Also have started 'needling'. There are some exciting things happening in the hairloss research areas.

As for the greying....well I continue to find hairs that have a dark base and white tip. Unfortunately I think I am continuing to go grey at the same time. My grey hair routine currently consists of 'He Shou Wu', blackstrap molasses, and B Vitamins. I also apply Tricomin to my hair at night. It has copper peptides in it. I think the only solution to grey hair will come from a credible company such as Loreal who are prepared to do the research and will no doubt back any product with scientific data.

brm, if you want to pm me, i am on the hairlosstalk website above, under the same username.

cheers. AD.

brm
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Posted 4/10/2008 10:07 AM (GMT -5)

Hi Aussie

Are you positive about DHEA making your hair fall out? I'm on 15% minox as well. I think it helps. What do you use for needling? Dermaroller? This stuff costs 120 aussie $!

As for grey hair, we have about the same regimen: molasses, copper peptides (mine is folligen), ho shou wuh, multivit, 1 g of vit C, 1 g of paba, brewer's yeast and
a specific formulation with inositol, kelp and so on. Plus amla and coco oil topically prior to washing.

No result. Only yellowish to greenish hairs.

lad
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Posted 4/10/2008 12:48 PM (GMT -5)

There quite a bit on new(?) info, idea and whatnot about grey reversal over here...

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=1&t=20284

mtrobee
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Posted 4/11/2008 10:02 AM (GMT -5)

Dear Aussie,

I think you are quick to jump. Look at the ingredients and compare to what you are using;

MelanPlus for Grey Hair - http://www.melanplus.com/ingredients.htm

Men’s:
(in 2 capsules)
He Show Wu (Fo-Ti) – 865 mg
Saw Palmetto Extract – 160 mg
PABA – 100 mg
Beta-Sitosterol – 140 mg
L-Tyrosine – 200 mg
Vit. B5 – 100 mg
Biotin – 300 mcg
Vit B-12 – 6 mcg
Vit B-6 – 6 mcg
Niacin – 10 mg
Vit. B2 – 6 mg
Vitamin –E 100 IU
Zinc – 20 mg

Womens’s
(in 2 capsules)
He Shou Wu – 667 mg
PABA – 100 mg
L-Tyrosine – 200 mg
Inositol – 150 mg
Collagen – 10 mg
Zinc – 20 mg
Iron – 18 mg
Calcium – 50 mg
Vit B5 – 100 mg
Biotin – 300 mcg
Vit B12 – 6 mg
Folic acid – 400 mcg
Vit B6 – 6mg
Niacin – 10 mg
Vit B2 – 6 mg
Vit E – 100 IU

I am not want to sell you anything. I want to be very nice and GIVE you a bottle to try. It is a great formula and I would love for you to at least compare what you are using. Does your supplement(s) you currently take have at least
He Show Wu (Fo-Ti) – 865 mg
Saw palmetto extract – 160 mg
PABA – 100 mg
Beta-sitosterol – 140 mg
L-tyrosine – 200 mg

???

email me mike@miketrobee.com and I would love to send you a bottle. free. no catches. lol

zorba990
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Posted 4/11/2008 5:46 PM (GMT -5)

I'd prefer to spend my $$ on high dose resveratrol and adding ascorbic acid phosphate to my shampoo. This combo is working well enough I've dropped the other topical (no more copper, DMAE-H3, etc). I'm curious are why no one has yet brought out an ascorbic acid phosphate oral supplement - there are loads of animal studies.

Serena_Blue
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Posted 4/14/2008 9:43 AM (GMT -5)

AussieDavid said...
Also have started 'needling'. There are some exciting things happening in the hairloss research areas..

What is needling and what does it do for hair?

rick30
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Posted 4/16/2008 11:01 AM (GMT -5)

This is a link where another person states that after stopping finasteride he hasn't gotten any new gray hairs.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-forums/viewthread.cfm?f=1&t=18337

Post Edited (rick30) : 4/17/2008 9:04:56 AM (GMT-4)

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