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Vincentvangogo
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| Posted 4/21/2008 10:52 PM (GMT -5) |   | | Zorba, is the combo you're using (ascorbic acid, reservetrol) achieved reversal? If so how does one prepare it etc. | | Back to Top | | |
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Hotlilmama
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| Posted 4/23/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -5) | |
brm said...Hi Aussie Are you positive about DHEA making your hair fall out? I'm on 15% minox as well. I think it helps. What do you use for needling? Dermaroller? This stuff costs 120 aussie $! As for grey hair, we have about the same regimen: molasses, copper peptides (mine is folligen), ho shou wuh, multivit, 1 g of vit C, 1 g of paba, brewer's yeast and a specific formulation with inositol, kelp and so on. Plus amla and coco oil topically prior to washing. No result. Only yellowish to greenish hairs. 
You can buy dermaroller from ebay, its much cheaper than the dermaroller websites. for example this seller on ebay
i bought from him and its the exact same product other websites are selling, great quality and best price.... and trust me i've done research!!
hope i could help, let me know if you guys have positive experiences to share!! | | Back to Top | | |
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Hotlilmama
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| Posted 4/23/2008 9:41 AM (GMT -5) | | dermaroller really works for acne.
i've had acne for years and tried many products including proactive. nothing really works, until my dermatologist introduced dermaroller treatment to me. its completely safe as long as following direction when using and cleaning the roller.
Ps Don't buy the ones on dermaroller websites, because they usually only sell < than 0.5 mm needle length ones, only penetrate the epidermis, which don't really work. Go to ebay, i bought a 1.0 mm from this seller, and a 0.5 mm for my husband's M shape head. (he's so happy and plays with it everyday...)
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtwodownso...2QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0
he has the lowest price, (trust me i've done research ... ) and the quality is good.
i hope i can help, let me know if any of you guys have good results! | | Back to Top | | |
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StarGazer
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| Posted 4/25/2008 10:07 AM (GMT -5) | | | http://www.cpnhelp.org/glisodin_experiment
A couple people claim high dosages of GliSODin have reversed grey hair including grey body hair.
I tried GliSODin last year because I thought it had merit given SOD reversed grey hair in mice.
It didn't reverse my grey, but I'm going to try it again, perhaps at a higher dosage.
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flowergirl
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| Posted 4/28/2008 2:19 PM (GMT -5) | | "When I started using high dose 99% trans resveratrol orally and also putting a bit of that (1000 mg/bottle) and the aforementioned stabilized vitamin c (1 rounded tsp per bottle) in my shampoo my hair strarted to thicken up a bit"
zorba which kind of trans reservatrol are you using and what dose do you take orally? i have read that high doses are necessary, but have only been used on animals not humans, and that high doses on humans can cause side effects of achilles and knee pain. i am a dancer so have stayed away for that reason..
why the ascorbic acid phosphate? are you only using this in your shampoo or taking it orally as well?
also, how long have you been using the resveratrol/ascorbic acid?
as for the stopping your other topical, do you think the DMAE H3 and the copper simply had a dying effect?
thanks for sharing your info. | | Back to Top | | |
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Vincentvangogo
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| Posted 4/30/2008 6:56 PM (GMT -5) | | | Sorry Zorba, I'm a bit confused, you said your hair began to 'thicken up,' what was the effect on the grey, did it keep it away? | | Back to Top | | |
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Stalwart
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| Posted 5/6/2008 9:34 AM (GMT -5) | | | Obviously without a genetic profile of the people who these various drugs/herbs have worked there is little hope of predicting efficacy. But then anyone would need to have a similar genetic disposition profiled in order to benefit. But of course the likelihood of working is greatly magnified. My mother when she 76 had only the very slightest like maybe 50-100 grey hairs. I have about as many but I have smoked recently. | | Back to Top | | |
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Chensm
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| Posted 5/6/2008 9:52 AM (GMT -5) | | Greying hair is one of the aging physical reaction. Most of people having grey or white hair during age of 40s and above, it probably begins from the sides and progress to the top.
The pigmentation of hairs basically depends on the quantity of melanin cell, nutrition imbalance and aging progress, when the melanin cell become insufficient, it causes our balck hair slowly become grey to white.
Stress: Those are between 28 to 38 years old, mosrly suffered from insomnia, stress, emoional unstable as this exerts a negative influence on the hair, it reduce the production of melanin.
Cause Of (White) Grey Hair
1. Genetic Traits : Happen during growing age, between 18-25 years old.
2. Stress : Those are between 28 to 38 years old ,mostly suffered from insomnia, stress , emotional unstable as this exerts a negative influence on the hair, it reduce the production of melanin.
3. Nutrition Imbalance : Unhealthy eating habit, Weight-loss diet (false implementation) or unhealthy life style decrease the production of melanin.
4. Poor Blood Circulation : Unhealthy blood cells, kidneys & bone marrow disorder will increase greying of hairs.
5. Chemicals Ingredients : Harmful or harsh chemicals damage the papilla to decrease the quantity of melanin. Any chemicals which harmful to papilla or melanin will increase greying too!.
6. Organs Disorder : Any skin disorder or lacking melanin and others similar disease should consult by skin specialist or doctor.
7. Aging : As we growing up to 65 years old & above, our metabolism become lower causes greying.
8. Medication : Those who have long term medication may occurred side effects which causes greying hairs and hair droppings.
http://www.beautytcm.com/Black%20Hair.html | | Back to Top | | |
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Stalwart
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| Posted 5/6/2008 1:01 PM (GMT -5) | | | I find it hard to believe that what we commonly call stress (exceding our expected workload) would qualify. Imagine if you will the Abugrabe guards and what they went thru during the interrogations and subsequently with their trials and so on. I don't discount all the folks who from a single encounter with a horrifying experience (I don't add a extremely or whatever on purpose because horrible is horrible) lose their hair color; like the switch was thrown on melanin production maybe. Still these occurances are more like epiphanies than any other form of stress. While I recognize the difficulties these extraordinary occurances hardly can be called by the name stress. I love the lack of distinction given to some experience that would change one's hair color. | | Back to Top | | |
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JenJ
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| Posted 5/20/2008 10:27 AM (GMT -5) | | | Has anyone purchased/tried the new Joico Re:nual Serum yet? Apparently Shiseido (huge Japanese cosmetic company) has spent 10 years working on this serum which has been clinically tested to reduce grey hair. One of the key active ingredients is the sansho (sancho) pepper which I remember about 5 years or so ago. | | Back to Top | | |
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brm
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| Posted 5/23/2008 6:18 PM (GMT -5) | | Zorba, you've been coming up with all sorts of treatments for ages on this thread, giving up most of them only to start new ones. I'm willing to believe that you have reversed all or most of your grey but I am convinced that those grey of yours were due to a poor diet and/or lifestyle and/or nutrient deficiencies. I don't believe you have reversed any grey due to ageing. If I am wrong, and I wish I am (were), tell us what a consistent and regular regimen would be, both internal and topical once for all.
Thank you. | | Back to Top | | |
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zorba990
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| Posted 5/27/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -5) | |
brm said...
Zorba, you've been coming up with all sorts of treatments for ages on this thread, giving up most of them only to start new ones. I'm willing to believe that you have reversed all or most of your grey but I am convinced that those grey of yours were due to a poor diet and/or lifestyle and/or nutrient deficiencies. I don't believe you have reversed any grey due to ageing. If I am wrong, and I wish I am (were), tell us what a consistent and regular regimen would be, both internal and topical once for all.
Thank you.
"Zorba, you've been coming up with all sorts of treatments for ages on this thread, giving up most of them only to start new ones"
Yes. It's called experimentation. The hair growth cycle is long and it takes many months (or more) of trying things before results can be seen.
"Tell us what a consistent and regular regimen would be, both internal and topical once for all"
I can't answer that for you, and that is kind of the point of this thread. It takes experimentation to find out what works for you as an individual. Either you are willing to do it or you are not. Most of the things detailed in this thread are both inexpensive and nontoxic. If you wait years while others experiment, their end results won't necessarily be your own magic bullet - and you will have lost time.
What have you tried for 6-12 months or more without any results? DMAE-H3 oral/topical? Ionic copper? Oral SODzyme/Glisodin? Do you follow all of LEF's recomendations as a starting point? Have you read through the vitiligo links and seen how slow the process of reactivation is and how much consistency it requires? Are you a sun worshipper or sun avoider? How much Vitamin C/E do you take on top of LEFs recomendations?
"don't believe you have reversed any grey due to ageing."
I accept that this is your belief.
Since you are dissatisfied with the options presented in this thread, perhaps you would like to seek out and experiment with other oral and topical substances (there are many out there in all range of prices) and report back your findings.
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Vincentvangogo
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| Posted 5/28/2008 10:41 AM (GMT -5) | | | I don't doubt you have had successful reversal Zorba, but I too am a bit confused at to what you have found works and what doesn't. It takes a long time to read through everyone's posts, and even more difficult to keep track as people sometimes change their minds once they've been on something for a period of time. As you seem to be one of the few who have had success, what would you currently recommend as a general regimen including dosages/brands etc.? Appreciated. | | Back to Top | | |
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brm
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| Posted 5/29/2008 1:10 PM (GMT -5) | | Zorba, my experimentation might well be worth yours.
Here is my regimen:
Ho shou wuh in raw powder form (3 teaspoonful) for 1.5 month
blackstrap molasses daily (1 teaspoonful) for 8 months
brewer's yeast 600 mg daily for 6 months
gingko biloba 600 mg for 6 months
paba 500 mg for 2 years then 1000 mg for 3 months
green tea 800 mg for 2.5 years
nettle root 600 mg for 6 months
vitamin E (100-300 mg) for 9 years
vit C (100 - 2000 mg) for 9 years
ginseng 1000 mg for 3 years
biotin 6 mg for 2 years
MSM 1000 mg for 3 months
L tyrosine 25 mg for 1 month
cod liver oil 1000 mg for 2 years
salmon oil 500 mg for 2 years
borage/onager oil 1000 mg for 5 years
blacksesame seeds (3 teaspoonfuls) for 2 years
flax seed lignans (4 teaspoonfuls) for 2 years
plus a multivit (3 pills daily over the past 7 years) which is roughly this one:
Vitamin A 5000 IU 100%
Thiamin 30 mg 2000%
Riboflavin 50 mg 2941%
Niacin 50 mg 250%
Vitamin B6 50 mg 2500%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B12 50 mcg 833%
Pantothenic acid 50 mg 500%
Calcium 200 mg 20%
Iodine 225 mcg 150%
Zinc 15 mg 100%
Selenium 50 mcg 71%
Copper 1 mg 50%
L-methionine 250mg
Canola Fatty Acid Complex 200 mg
Horsetail extract 100 mg
L-cysteine 100 mg
Inositol 50 mg
Choline 23 mg
OK, now to the topicals:
essential oil blend (cedar, lavender, tea tree, rosemary, ylang ylang, thyme, sage, laurel): 2 ml a day for the past 6 years
Folligen (copper peptides) 3 ml a week for 2 years
Grapeseed extract daily for 6 months
amla oil+coconut oil before shampoo once a week for 1.5 years.
And I may have forgotten some.
My result is ZERO.
Why should yours be so good whereas you don't even seem to stick to your ingredients for a long time, chiming in every so often to advertise a new one with no more reference to the previous ones?
BTW, what are these LEF's recommendations? What url please? Thank you.
Forgive my slight irritation. | | Back to Top | | |
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Gaizz
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| Posted 6/2/2008 10:08 AM (GMT -5) | | | | |
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Fumpa
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| Posted 6/2/2008 10:11 AM (GMT -5) | | Hi everyone. I've been following this thread for a while now and sad to see that the search for a solution continues. For now, it seems that the only solution is temporary (hair dyes etc).
I'll still keep tabs on this thread, but for now I'm looking for advice on how to color my hair. I know this isn't a beauty thread, but I was hoping that I could get some tips from my fellow grey(ing) friends.
I'm not interested in dying my hair with a hair dye kit, but was instead hoping that something existed, like a shampoo, that could be used periodically with little effort. I dyed my hair once and didn't care for the experience. Stinks and I ruined a towel or two :).
I'm sure I could get to be proficient at dying my hair, but am still interested in alternative solutions if anyone knows of any good ones.
Thanks for any advice you can provide. | | Back to Top | | |
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StarGazer
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| Posted 6/2/2008 11:16 AM (GMT -5) | | | brm -
Thanks for your post. I share your frustration.
What is helpful about this thread are posts like yours that tell people they have NOT had success with certain experiments. It saves others the hassle of attempting it themselves.
This board helped me steer clear of PABA and a few other things that as a general rule, do not work for grey hair (there may be a few exceptions).
THese are the only two posts I've found on this thread that might have some credibility:
This one by 'snoopy':
My simple approach, already told:
2 x 600 mg NAC from LEF plus a lot of vit c ext. rel. (from Switamin)
3 g omega 3 fatty acids (from LEF)
6 x 1 capsule of a multi (from LEF or Thorne, alternating every month)
1 x Super Booster (from LEF)
After six months I had my original color which is blond.
In the meantime appr. 10 percent of my beard reversed also to blond. I think the big helper is NAC, which I originally started to take for protection of my lungs and boost the gluthatione level.
This one by 'suz':
I'm new here today, so I hope I'm posting properly. I can only say, from personal experience, taking one niacin and one biotin supplement a day, in about 3 months, I do believe you will see a difference. More is "not" better...so just be patient, and let us know, and good luck. My hair was getting a few greys, so a few years ago, I did these two supplements together, as I'd read somewhere, that the biotin is better received in the body when taken with the niacin, so I did it, and it's worked for me...and I still take them, and no greys.
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My current regimen is simply 3 tabs of LEF's SOD, which I am attempting for a 2nd trial, but at a higher dosage.
I may add some Super Booster and NAC in the future. Right now, funds are tight so I have to wait awhile.
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brm
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| Posted 6/3/2008 11:26 AM (GMT -5) | | Thank you Stargazer.
In reality, I get no pigmentation result. I get a kind of pale dying effect though. No wonder this snoopy says he reverted his few grays to his initial BLOND tint. My grey have become of a pale brown color, greenish when I use topical copper peptides. The problem is that I am a deep dark head of hair. So all this helps my grey get less conspicuous but I can clearly see there's not a single trace of melanin in the strands. My latest change is 800 iu of NATURAL vitamin E.
BTW, I have been taking biotin + vit B3 (=niacin) for ages... This suz was one more "nutrient-deficient" guy. | | Back to Top | | |
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StarGazer
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| Posted 6/4/2008 9:29 AM (GMT -5) | | brm -
So biotin/niacin did not work for you as 'suz' claims it worked for him/her? | | Back to Top | | |
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Vincentvangogo
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| Posted 6/4/2008 9:30 AM (GMT -5) | |
The key claim (which the killerstrands blog seems to misinterpret) is that users apparently see 50% less new grey hair than non-users. That's not 50% less grey hair, but a 50% slowing in the amount of new grey hair. It's still good, if it is true, but there's no reversal going on. | | Back to Top | | |
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