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brm
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Posted 6/4/2008 4:44 PM (GMT -5)

No, biotin + niaicin don't work for me.

Today I decided to drop folic acid, alpha lipoic acid and MSM. Those three I'd been on for the past 3 months have done nothing. rather made things worse since my grey has tremendously increased lately. I've read a post by Zorba who said MSM and alpha-lipoic were pro grey. But Zorba seems to be no longer around.

Stargazer, I understand you've never had any result with anything... Not slowed the process down?

StarGazer
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Posted 6/5/2008 10:09 AM (GMT -5)

thanks, brm - I'll avoid biotin + niacin. As I've said before, at the very least this board has saved me months of worthless trials (and cash).

I'm about 70% brown and 30% grey, but the greys have really gained on my the past couple years. In some areas, such as the temples and the very top of my head, I'm now all grey.

I tried He Shou Wu for about 4 years and it didn't work. I have been using many vitamin supplents for about 20 years for health, so that hasn't prevented the greys.

I tried the combo retin-A and a hydroxy acid that a dermatologist got a patent for saying it turned his hair back to brown, but it didn't work for me, and I don't like putting retin-a and a hyrdoxy acid on my scalp. While it didn't do any damage, it obviously is not good for the follicles.

The SOD didn't work for me the first go-round, but I'm now taking 3 of the LEF capsules 1st thing in the AM, whereas before I think I took 1 or 2 tablets.

I will probably add on something else in a few months.

I don't think I will ever color my hair - unless they come out with something that looks real. On men, it looks incredibly fake.

Gaizz
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Posted 6/5/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -5)

Vincentvangogo said...

The key claim (which the killerstrands blog seems to misinterpret) is that users apparently see 50% less new grey hair than non-users. That's not 50% less grey hair, but a 50% slowing in the amount of new grey hair. It's still good, if it is true, but there's no reversal going on.

"And after six months or more of regular use, tests show that Re:nual Serum can reverse the graying process, actually restoring shine and radiance to natural haircolor."

From http://redlandsbeauty.typepad.com/redlands_beauty_centre/product_profiles/index.html

Redlands Beauty Centre
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Posted 6/5/2008 3:37 PM (GMT -5)

This is Brynn from the Redlands Beauty Blog. The Joico re:nual serum is supposed to actually reverse the graying process, but you will notice fewer new gray hairs sooner than you will see your hair color return.

As we age the melanocytes (the pigment-producing cells) in the hair follicle migrate away from the scalp and into other areas of the skin (sometimes causing age or liver spots). The Re:nu system is designed to recreate the healthy scalp environment to entice the melanocytes to return to the hair follicle and produce pigment to the hair.

Shiseido has spent 10 years developing this product, and it was released in early May. I have one of my employees testing the serum now, but it will be a few months before we see any results. Joico is going to be doing a huge product launch for the entire system around the end of June I believe, and I am hoping I will receive more scientific study and testamonials from users with the launch. As I get more information I will be posting it on the Blog at redlandsbeauty.typepad.com

If anyone has any specific questions I can help with you can email me at redlandsbeauty@gmail.com

brm
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Posted 6/6/2008 9:44 AM (GMT -5)

Except that the stuff doesn't seem to be imported in Europe...

JenJ
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Posted 6/6/2008 3:25 PM (GMT -5)

Looks like this Joico/Shiseido serum has been sold in other countries under the name of Shiseido Fuente Vita Voltage serum for over 5 years.

Here's a couple of links:

http://www.4allbeauty.com.my/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=344

http://mymall.netbuilder.com.my/index.php?doit=order&pid=557&domain=kcareshop&history_var=cat2%3DOily%2BScalp%252F%2BHair%2BLoss%26page%3D1

I just started using the Re:nual serum and hope to see results in the next several months.

You can google the Dr. Ohji Ifuku of Shiseido (yes, that's his name).

Slider
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Posted 6/8/2008 7:39 PM (GMT -5)

I have also ordered the serum and will keep the forum informed but it seems like results will be over a 6-12 month period.

Fumpa
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Posted 6/8/2008 7:41 PM (GMT -5)

In response to GAIZZ.

I noticed that the claims for the Re:nual Serum seemed off too, but then I went to the JOICO site. In their little flash movie for the product, near the end of the movie it does claim that "With Continued Use" that you'll experience "Gradual Restoration of Natural Hair Color". The "With Continued Use" was preceded by information on what to expect after 6 months of use. So exactly how much "Continued Use" is necessary is undefined.

Click on the Re:nual Serum image, then click "watch clip" to see the movie.

The stuff is kind of expensive. Not sure how long one bottle will last.

If it works, then hopefully others will start releasing similar products and then prices will drop.

Fumpa
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Posted 6/8/2008 7:41 PM (GMT -5)

Oops GAIZZ, sorry that last post I made was actually meant for the person you quoted in your response. Sorry.

Vincentvangogo
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Posted 6/9/2008 9:49 AM (GMT -5)

Redlands Beauty Centre said...
This is Brynn from the Redlands Beauty Blog. The Joico re:nual serum is supposed to actually reverse the graying process, but you will notice fewer new gray hairs sooner than you will see your hair color return.

As we age the melanocytes (the pigment-producing cells) in the hair follicle migrate away from the scalp and into other areas of the skin (sometimes causing age or liver spots). The Re:nu system is designed to recreate the healthy scalp environment to entice the melanocytes to return to the hair follicle and produce pigment to the hair.

Shiseido has spent 10 years developing this product, and it was released in early May. I have one of my employees testing the serum now, but it will be a few months before we see any results. Joico is going to be doing a huge product launch for the entire system around the end of June I believe, and I am hoping I will receive more scientific study and testamonials from users with the launch. As I get more information I will be posting it on the Blog at redlandsbeauty.typepad.com

If anyone has any specific questions I can help with you can email me at redlandsbeauty@gmail.com

I couldn't find any scientific evidence or studies on their site regarding how much it reverses grey, over what period of time and in what percentage of people? If they are claiming it works, they should be able to offer more than just a few testimonials from people saying how much they like it.

JenJ
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Posted 6/10/2008 9:05 AM (GMT -5)

I've been using the Joico/Shiseido Re:nual serum since June 1st. I purchased the 1.7 oz size. The serum has the consistency of water and is clear, so be careful when applying with to your scalp with the dropper applicator that it comes with...it tends to run out of the dropper.

It leaves a nice tingly feeling after massaging into the scalp - I don't experience any burning, itching, dryness or anything unpleasant. The 1.7 oz is supposed to be a 1-month supply - twice a day applications. I know my bottle isn't going to last 1 month. I may have applied too much in the beginning, plus I know some ran out of the dropper...so be careful!

If anyone is interested, I'll post my results every month.

Hopefully Joico will be doing a major launch on this serum and system later this month as stated in an earlier post. I hope it goes on sale!

Jen

lad
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Posted 6/10/2008 4:40 PM (GMT -5)

If you google around, you can find the Re:nual serum 5.03 oz refills going for around $50.

I might try this out when I can afford it and figure how to integrate into all the shampoo/minox/whatever scheduling going on with my scalp.

reverse
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Posted 6/17/2008 11:53 AM (GMT -5)

Please keep us posted on this serum. I'd love to know what the outcome is.

StarGazer
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Posted 6/17/2008 4:04 PM (GMT -5)

Jen-

By all means, please keep us posted with monthly updates!

I'm (blowing) my funds right now on my SOD experiment. I want to give it a few months at a higher dosage to see if it works.

Thx!

Russell22
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Posted 6/17/2008 4:06 PM (GMT -5)

Ive been a member of this site for about 18 months. I have tried various concoctions of vitamins, topicals, etc., so far to no avail.

Im 37 and am about 30% grey. I currently use just for men to cover, but in the u.k there have been reports of late that this product has caused skin cancer above all other hair dyes in many users, so this has put me off dying it now. Has anyone else heard this report?

Ive attached a link to a site who have a grey hair programme using emu oil shampoo,conditioner and special vitamins.

http://www.healthyhairplus.com/Gray-Hair-Solutions-s/634.htm

Now it claims that to see results you have to wait at least 3 months, i've only been using it for about 7 weeks now. Has anyone else either used this product or something similar and seen results?

I'm also using orally:

2-3 g of omega 3

1 gram of vit c

1X high strength multi

1x 500 mg paba

1-2 brewers yeast

and melan plus tablets (this is the product mike trobee was selling on here a while back) 2 tabs daily includes per tab - 865 mg he shou wu, 160 mg saw palmetto, 100 mg paba, 100 iu vit e, 6 mg vit b2, 6 mg vit b6, 6 mcg vit b12, 100 mg vit b5, 20 mg zinc, 200 mg L-tyrosine, 140 mg beta-sitosterol.

Again ive only been using this product 2 months and it claims 3-4 months you should see results..i'm not holding out much hope for either of these treatments but we'll see...i'll keep you all posted if i see results.

Russ

Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 6/17/2008 4:09:07 PM (GMT-4)

Kola
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Posted 6/23/2008 4:09 PM (GMT -5)

brm said...
No, biotin + niaicin don't work for me.

Today I decided to drop folic acid, alpha lipoic acid and MSM. Those three I'd been on for the past 3 months have done nothing. rather made things worse since my grey has tremendously increased lately. I've read a post by Zorba who said MSM and alpha-lipoic were pro grey. But Zorba seems to be no longer around.

Stargazer, I understand you've never had any result with anything... Not slowed the process down?

Hello brm,

You're taking a bevy of different things there; you may want to have you're stomach's hydrochloric acid checked. Its amount and potency tend to go down as we age. If you could find a way to maintain its digestive integrity you may be able to absorb more from what you ingest(especially from supplements) and it may go a long way toward helping to keep your hair color intact and even help to reverse it. Yes it matters what you digest, but more to the point, it matters what you absorb. Also check your adrenal sufficiency. I find that adrenal fatigue will also tend to cause one to go grey at a faster rate. One big factor especially for men that would cause adrenal fatigue and depletion of bodily nutrients is frequent ejaculation, which is a biggie toward quickening one toward greydom. Good luck.

brm
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Posted 6/24/2008 11:38 AM (GMT -5)

Hello Kola

Thank you for this informative post. How can one have one's stomach's Hcl checked? As it is, I may be operated on soon for a failing stomach valve. Gastric liquid goes up thru the stomach's natural barrier and create a mild though incurable inflammation of my nose and throat (gastric reflux). Should I get along the way I am or get this operation done... An operation is still a hell of a time... with no certain advantage at the end of the day...

As to cortisol, I checked my most "recent" bloodtests thereof. With a 494 nmol/ml, I verge on adrenal insufficiency as theoritically defined (<500). What can I do against this? Take DHEA? Hydrocortisone? Those drugs are a bit risky, aren't they?

Bird
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Posted 7/1/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -5)

That diabetes comment is interesting to me. Maybe the incidence of gray hair increases with increasing insulin resistance and poorer glucose tolerance, in some individuals. Because everything this diabetic did - meds/diet/exercise - increases glucose tolerance, decreases insulin resistance and may also reduce inflammation.

JenJ
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Posted 7/1/2008 10:44 AM (GMT -5)

I've been using the Joice Re:ual serum everyday since June 1st. I went through one 1.7 oz bottle in a little over 2 weeks...and it's supposed to last 1 month. I was applying it twice a day (am & pm).

I made sure to have more on hand prior to running out and I've changed my tactic a bit. Since I've been dermarolling my face and neck for several months with success, I decided to incorporate that on my scalp as well.

I've read the dermarolling (aka skin needling, collagen induction therapy - cit) is also successful for treating hair loss when used with hair loss topical treatments. Fortunately I don't have hair thinning or loss....just greys/whites coming in.

So I thought I'd use a roller on my scalp to enhance the absorption of the Re:nual serum, plus I switched from twice a day applications to once a day. Immediately I could tell the difference when using the roller. My scalp tingled much more...not at all unpleasant. I'm sure the increased circulation is beneficial, but other than feeling warm & tingling, I haven't experienced any other improvements/benefits...but then again I didn't expect to only one month in.

I remembered after I received this serum that I used to purchase a scalp serum from the Shiseido cosmetics counter about 20 years ago. I participated in many hairshows back then and one of the hair stylists used and raved about that treatment. It really was wonderful, so I'm thinking this Re:nual serum must be the next generation with the benefit of the sansho pepper and hops.

Next Update will be early August.

DDye
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Posted 7/1/2008 10:45 AM (GMT -5)

Do you think the tingling could be minor irritation from the serum in the small punctures made by the dermaroller?

rick30
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Posted 7/1/2008 10:45 AM (GMT -5)

JenJ said...

If anyone is interested, I'll post my results every month.

Hopefully Joico will be doing a major launch on this serum and system later this month as stated in an earlier post. I hope it goes on sale!

Jen

Just got my bottle of the serum and I agree, its hard to apply with the dropper, a lot of the serum gets wasted dripping all over the place.

Stalwart
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Posted 7/1/2008 12:37 PM (GMT -5)

I think if you look around you may find in your own home a dropper bottle with a smaller diameter tip. If not then organic groceries typically have some though they seldom are as small as you need.

I wonder why the manufacturer doesn't notice or maybe they did and they like it! :)

JenJ
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Posted 7/1/2008 12:39 PM (GMT -5)

Hi DDye,

Massaging the serum into the scalp without the dermaroller, I still feel some tingling, but it's definitely more so with the roller.

I use a .50mm roller for the scalp. I have several rollers of varying lengths that I use for my face. The shorter needles are to enhance product absorption - I read using that it increases absorption by up to 400%, so I figure it certainly can't hurt using it on my scalp with the serum. The needles on the roller are very fine and don't cause any bleeding, or problems like that.

JenJ
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Posted 7/1/2008 2:29 PM (GMT -5)

Hi Rick,

Yes, I wasted some of the serum as it kind of ran out of the dropper. Instead of squeezing the serum from the dropper, I actually tap the dropper on my scalp so the serum is dispensed a drop at a time instead of too much running out. So far it's been the best method.

I had a little serum on my finger tip and tasted it to see if I could taste the pepper. Oh boy, you can certainly tell there's pepper in it. LOL!

Stalwart
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Posted 7/9/2008 1:40 PM (GMT -5)

My mom had about as many grey hairs as I do at 53 before she died at 76. And though that's not descriptive I will add that neither of us has but a few grey hairs. I remember something about some particular correlation with early onset greying and some disease. Other than such a connection with some disease I have to admit that avoiding greyness is pretty much just a denial that you are the age that you are. One of the strongest awarenesses upon observing a group of people entering and leaving the local supermarket was their vulnerability and denial of same.

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