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   Posted 7/10/2008 6:46 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
hi Rick, Jenu and others,
  I am 30 yrs old with tons of gray hair. I just ordered the joico serum and wanted to check if any of you had any updates you could share? 
 
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   Posted 7/10/2008 6:52 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
 i do think its a lot easier to accept grays when it comes at the age its meant to. but for those like me, it's trying to be your age rather than denial.
 
Stalwart said...
My mom had about as many grey hairs as I do at 53 before she died at 76. And though that's not descriptive I will add that neither of us has but a few grey hairs. I remember something about some particular correlation with early onset greying and some disease. Other than such a connection with some disease I have to admit that avoiding greyness is pretty much just a denial that you are the age that you are. One of the strongest awarenesses upon observing a group of people entering and leaving the local supermarket was their vulnerability and denial of same.
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   Posted 7/17/2008 8:38 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Not giving an re:nual serum update yet...but if anyone's looking for a good price on the serum, I just purchased the 5.1 oz refill size off Ebay for $48.98 plus shipping, which to CA is $8.75. 

I found the seller by accident as I purchased that size from another seller at a higher price. To find the deal I found today, do an Ebay search on Joice renual serum and it will come up.  If you type in Joice re:nual serum, that seller doesn't show up.

 

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   Posted 7/25/2008 1:40 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JenJ said...

Not giving an re:nual serum update yet...but if anyone's looking for a good price on the serum, I just purchased the 5.1 oz refill size off Ebay for $48.98 plus shipping, which to CA is $8.75. 

I found the seller by accident as I purchased that size from another seller at a higher price. To find the deal I found today, do an Ebay search on Joice renual serum and it will come up.  If you type in Joice re:nual serum, that seller doesn't show up.

 

Jen

 

They tried to charge me $60 for postage to Australia. I get heaps of things sent over from the USA and the shipping cost for this product should be less than $10. They are a rip-off.

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   Posted 7/28/2008 8:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

AussieDavid,

Which Ebay seller wanted to charge $60 USD for shipping - was it Dog Gone Sisters or Hair Growth Zone?

The best price I posted (Ebay) was from Hair Growth Zone....not so sure I would recommend them at this time. I paid for the 5.1 oz size last Friday and on Monday the package arrived and it's the 1.7 oz size.  I immediately emailed to let them know an error was made and how should we handle it. I received a reply on Wednesday asking me to give them a few days so a resolution can be worked out. Luckily they have really good feedback, so I'm optimistic, but just not impressed.

Charging $60 USD to ship a serum bottle to Australia is out of line, in my opinion. I would report the Seller to Ebay.

 

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   Posted 7/28/2008 9:51 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No problem with the other seller you quote. She sent me the right stuff (to France) at a reasonable price and within a 12 days time frame.
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   Posted 7/30/2008 9:30 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
JenJ said...

AussieDavid,

Which Ebay seller wanted to charge $60 USD for shipping - was it Dog Gone Sisters or Hair Growth Zone?

I'm guessing that the owner of the Ebay store is posting on, or reading this forum. I originally googled as you suggested in a previous post and found 2 ebay stores selling the product. I think the one that was charging the $60 delivery was Hair Growth Central, though they are now saying delivery is $32.45 to Australia. That's still a rip-off and is at least $20 above what it actually costs.
 
I am in NYC at the moment and found a shop that sells the re:nu serum (82nd and Broadway). I picked up two of the 5 ounce bottles today. The price was $75 each, plus tax. Rather expensive. The brochure inside the package is quite interesting and makes some fairly big claims for a company such as Joico. Part of their claim is that: "Over Time: Continued usage has been shown to slow the graying process, reducing the amount of gray hair and restoring natural haircolor by encouraging the growth of pigmented hair."
 
In the enclosed brochure they say that "Re:nual Serum nourishes the scalp environment, enhancing natural melanin producion and strengthening hair follicles for the optimal growth of healthy, pigmented hair, with scientifically-proven Japanese ingredients:
Panax Ginseng Extract: Activates cells in the hair follicle to promote healthy development of hair, imporving elasticity and strength.
Zanthoxylum Fruit Extract: (Japanese Sansho Pepper): Activates pigment-producing melanocytes and promotes their migration back into the follicle to reduce growth of new gray hair.
Hops Extract: Increases the number of melanocytes in the hair follicle."
 
The ingredients listed on the side of the package are: Alcohol Denat, Water/aqua/eau, menthol, glycyrrhentinic acid, eucalyptus globulus leaf oil, coriandrum sativum (coriander) fruit/leaf extrat, humulus lupulus (hops) extract, panax ginseng root extract, hydroxypropyl-cellulose, zanthoxylum piperitum fruit extract, niacinamide, panthenyl ethyl ether, tocopheryl acetate, benzyl nicotinate, triethylhexanoin, isostearyl alcohol, lactic acid, sodium lactate.
 
I'm going to give it a go for 6 months and see what happens.
 

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   Posted 8/1/2008 11:05 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hmmmm...Are they going as far as saying it actually re-pigments grey hair? Or are suggesting it will maintain color in resting-stage hair, which will start to appear in 6 months.
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   Posted 8/4/2008 9:16 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
lad said...
Hmmmm...Are they going as far as saying it actually re-pigments grey hair? Or are suggesting it will maintain color in resting-stage hair, which will start to appear in 6 months.
They actually say "restoring natural haircolor by encouraging the growth of pigmented hair". My initial thought was that it's restoring color to gray hair, but upon reading it again, it could also be interpreted as saying it just encourages the growth of hair that is already pigmented. There is a diagram in the box from their 'in vitro' testing that showed a 20% increase in the number of melanocytes with the use of the serum.
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   Posted 8/8/2008 9:58 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I'm now at my two month mark with the Joico Re:nual Serum. Not really seeing a reduction of greys/whites yet. My hair does seem to be growing faster though, which could be the result of the daily massage I do while applying this serum.

The first week or so, my scalp would tingle when I massaged the serum, but that rarely happens now.

The best deal I've found is still on Ebay. The seller is Hair Growth Central. They sent me the wrong size bottle originally, but have since shipped the correct size.

Anyone else have any results to report?

 

 

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   Posted 8/10/2008 3:24 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
There are so many good threads here and there is so much stuff to try but it seems the best results so far have come from copper, DMAE-H3, PABA, and vitamin B (which number though?). I'd like to try the Keracyte so if you have real estate needs in California, contact me so I can buy the product - LOL.

I know that illness factors into gray hair growth and I've had my share. Also, am suffering from hormonal imbalances and think that I need thyroid upped again (am on .3 mg of Synthroid and 7.5 mcg of Cytomel). My hair is dry and I am thinning out on the top. I used to have such long, lovely, and thick hair - I miss it!

At this point, if I try any supplement to try to stop graying and to try to reverse it, wouldn't be any trouble and if it went grayer - it certainly wouldn't make a difference, since I'm about 25% gray now. Salt and pepper. Hair coloring works well but it is expensive. I suppose it wouldn't cost anymore though to get Keracyte and try it out.

I'm taking biotin right now and am going to add niacin to it today. I'll let you know if it works. I think that I read somewhere that copper helps with thyroid production. I'm anemic too and it's also supposed to help with iron absorbency.

I should add a little exercise to my regimen too I suppose to get that blood flowing - I haven't exercised in 9 years, since my last child, due to illness.

I'm also taking adrenal supplements (I had Cushing's disease now I'm adrenal fatigued after having 2 tumors removed from pituitary gland - this may also be messing with the things that I need for healthy hair because the pit gland has been tampered with and possibly has a little destruction), fish oil, multi vit, 1000 mg of vit C, and hyaluronic acid. I have recently begun the adrenal supplements and I notice a diff in energy levels right away but still need a nap every afternoon - by the way - I'm only 45!!!!!!!!! Even my 95 year old grandma doesn't need naps during the day!

Anyone have suggestions as to what I might add to the regime to possibly try to get the gray out (got wash that gray right out of my hair or in this case grow it out). I figure the antioxidants and vitamins are good for me anyway even if they don't reverse my hair color which is dark brown, almost black.
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   Posted 8/11/2008 9:44 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I also may try bentonite clay to clear the toxins out of my system. I'll let you know if it works; going to Whole Foods tomorrow to pick some up.
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   Posted 8/13/2008 4:03 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
zachem, you could try topical vegetal oils such as amla oil and coco oil (1 hour prior to washing, twice a week). I use them. They don't "cure" grey hair but make it appear light brown and make for a luxurious hair by the way. Topical copper peptides make my grey look greenish.
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   Posted 8/15/2008 2:48 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It does appear from the joico website that the serum reverses some of the graying in time. The photos don't show a complete, 100% reversal but certainly quite a bit of improvement.

I suppose it's at least moving in the right direction.
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   Posted 8/17/2008 7:25 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I always wonder with before and after photos, what's to stop them simply swapping them around?
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   Posted 8/17/2008 7:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
dang-
 
could you provide a link please?  thx
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   Posted 8/18/2008 9:03 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
never mind - found it.
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   Posted 8/19/2008 8:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I stay in India and i tried homeopathy medicine AcidPhos30C for 2 months as it is recommendend by many homeopathy doctors for gray hair. But I don't think it has reversed my gray hair to any extent, but i got severe backpain during my periods after using this medicine. I have sooo much of gray hair and am desperate to get rid of it.

After much analysis of my health conditions, I strongly feel iam deficient in copper. but i didnt find any site selling ionic copper in India. I neither know any mineral supplements for copper deficiency. I wanted to drink water from copper vessel everyday. Then again i am afraid that toxics will accumulate in my body if i do it. Is it safe to drink water from a copper vessel? if so, will it help me correct my copper deficiency? I appreciate if someone could show me a way to correct my copper deficiency? Is there any homeopathy/allopathy medicine to correct copper deficiency? pls help.
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   Posted 8/19/2008 8:39 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Have you had your blood copper level tested?
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   Posted 8/21/2008 9:34 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
DDye,
 
          No, I have not got my blood copper level tested. But then i have so many copper deficiency symptons which is why i suspect i have this defeciency. Actually i was not aware that there is a test to find out copper level in blood. Any idea if this test is an expensive one? Appreciate your reply. Thanks.
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   Posted 8/21/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It is relatively expensive here, but don't know about India.
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   Posted 8/22/2008 9:38 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

turn  Copper vs. Zinc turn

My doctor (the famous Jonathan V. Wright) had my hair minerals tested:

  • Copper 21 ug/g (reference range 9.0 to 26)
  • Zinc 430 ug/g (reference range 120 to 200) superhigh!

He said high zinc in the hair is usually a false positive and that I probably was low on zinc. So he had my white-blood-cell zinc tested:

  • Zinc 0.016 ug/million cells (reference range 0.01 to 0.060) pretty low!

He said for the next 4 to 6 months that I should take 150 mg per day of zinc picolinate and 4 mg per day of copper. Then repeat the tests.

idea  so that gave me an idea...

Since some of the posters here have had success using topical copper on their heads, maybe the copper is counteracting excess zinc in the scalp. Hair/scalp zinc could be the enemy that is responding to the topical copper.

Is there anyone here who knows something less messy or more effective than copper that would chelate the zinc in the scalp? Maybe something like vinegar or EDTA?

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   Posted 8/22/2008 10:51 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Pfhoa! 150 mg a day is a hell of a lot. Are you sure it's not 15 mg a day?
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   Posted 8/25/2008 8:35 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Vincentvangogo said...
Teenagegreygal, I've not seen any connection with convulsions, but I read somewhere on the net that someone had noticed a connection between schizophrenia and premature greying (I've also seen this in a couple of people with the illness.) The theory was that schizophrenics might not be able to metabolize a certain vitamin (B2?) and that this led to another chemical being produced in their bodies that was close in structure to a hallucinogenic drug. I think the molecular structure of LSD is sometimes used to understand schizophrenia (the gene??) and there certainly seem to be a lot of similarities been schizophrenic episodes and people who are tripping/hallucinating, hence I thought there might be something in this theory.
 
 Another interesting thing was that they mentioned some schizophrenics improved by simply giving them mollasses every day, which I think contains this B vitamin and I  know that some people claim molasses has restored their hair to its original colour. 
As you must have guessed already I am not a scientist, but perhaps someone out there can make something of all this. 
 
- Could one of the drugs used to treat seizure disorders cause graying? - mod
A connection between convulsions and schizophrenia turns out to be vitamin D deficiency. Just surf the net with Google and the following:  "schizophrenia" or "siezures" and "vitamin d deficiency".
Vitamin D boosts thyroid function. Destroy the thyroid and your hair will turn white quickly with growth.
Become severely D deficient and calcium will too since calcium depends on D for absorption. Hypocalcemia can result in tetany and siezures.
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   Posted 9/4/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hi,

Could someone suggest how to correct copper deficiency? Is there any cure for this?


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