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  		   Posted 1/14/2009 7:05 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
 
Hi Everyone
 
I sent an email to the Customer Service Dept regarding GREY AWAY, whether I will receive my money back if my grey hair does not reverse, they replied very quickly, which is fantastic, they sent the following replied:-
 
Dear Miss,
 
Our GREY AWAY was launched in 2000 here in France and it's one of the best sellers of our Institute since its clinical tests have shown a very high customers satisfaction rate (about 100%).
Nevertheless, every product of our Institute is actually guaranteed "satisfied or paid off", and GREY AWAY is obviously not an exception.

I remain at your disposal for any further information.
Best regards.

Philippe Martin.
Cosmétologue

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  		   Posted 1/14/2009 7:23 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi guys!
I found this thread about 8 mths ago. Now I want to add my piece. I went grey some years ago with some dark still on top.Start of last year the sides had already changed from grey to white - ugh!
Now I am in the middle of a reversal, and should have my color back by the end of summer. I just have a little white left on one side - the whole reversal thing is totally asymmetrical, with grey mixed in the white area, dark patches in the grey area etc.I don't care, just so long as I get the color back.
I can list what I do now that I didn't do before. I think this is doing it. I do 20-28 mile hikes weekly. I always took vitamins, but now I take amino acids daily, including arginine, more folic acid and gave up alcohol Also I work out in the gym a couple of times a week, but concentrate on the aerobics - treadmill, cycle, & cross-trainer.
I'm 65, and, now the hair color is coming back, most folks think I'm in my mid-fifties.
Hair is basically amino-acids - that's what my barber says. So when I noticed some color returning I increased the amino's. I'm one happy dude. Hope this helps.
kloog1
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  		   Posted 1/19/2009 11:39 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Does anyone know if there is any evidence of a link between IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor) and gray hair prevention/restoration?
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  		   Posted 1/19/2009 11:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
kloog1 - please keep us posted in 2009 on your results.  thx
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  		   Posted 1/21/2009 10:41 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
vauxall said...
I am not sure if there's a link between arginine and hair colour but arginine is not a hormonal treatment so it has nothing to do with being male or female. From my experience I would say that if you take arginine for long time (=> 2 months) you should top up with lysine, the reason has been discussed before.
It's interesting that the L-lysine label on the LEF bottle warns against taking it with arginine. Ive emailed LEF for an answer as to why and will post it here.
 
Also, here is an interesting post from the hairlosstalk forums. This guy is getting grey reversal from topical minoxidil along with spraying topical HGH on his scalp! Again, I have messaged him for more info and will post if anything interesting comes up.
 
 
 
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  		   Posted 1/21/2009 10:43 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Since arginine competes for cell receptor sites with L-lysine, it can decrease lysine's effectiveness when used for therapeutic purposes.
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  		   Posted 1/21/2009 12:35 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/biomedres/28/2/28_85/_article :

Oral treatment with L-lysine and L-arginine reduces anxiety and basal cortisol levels in healthy humans


Miro SMRIGA1), Toshihiko ANDO1), Masahisa AKUTSU2), Yasushi FURUKAWA2), Kiyoshi MIWA1) and Yasushi MORINAGA1)

1) Institute of Life Sciences, Ajinomoto Co., Inc.
2) Wellness Promotion Center, Ajinomoto Co., Inc.

(Received January 18, 2007)
(Accepted February 2, 2007)


ABSTRACT
Dietary supplementation with an essential amino acid L-lysine has been shown to reduce chronic anxiety in humans with low dietary intake of L-lysine. A combination of L-lysine and L-arginine has been documented to normalize hormonal stress responses in humans with high trait anxiety. The present study was carried out in one hundred eight healthy Japanese adults. The aim of study was to find out whether a week-long oral treatment with L-lysine (2.64 g per day) and L-arginine (2.64 g per day) reduces trait and stress-induced state anxiety and basal levels of stress hormones. We confirmed that, without regard to gender, the amino acid treatment significantly reduced both trait anxiety and state anxiety induced by cognitive stress battery. In addition, we found that the treatment with L-lysine and L-arginine decreased the basal levels of salivary cortisol and chromogranin-A (a salivary marker of the sympatho-adrenal system) in male subjects. These results of this double-blind, placebo controlled and randomized study confirm the previous findings in humans and animals and point to a combination of L-lysine and L-arginine as a potentially useful dietary intervention in otherwise healthy humans with high subjective levels of mental stress and anxiety.
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  		   Posted 1/22/2009 12:29 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I forgot to add this: I think they could interfere with each other sice both are in the L- form. I started using arginine because of ED (see my previous posts) and I have noticed it gives results when I take 500 mg Arg 12 hrs after 500 mg Lysine, so I'll keep on experimenting.
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  		   Posted 1/22/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hi All

Has anyone tried GREY AWAY???????????

No one has responded to my previous messages.

Let me know whether it's worth a try.

Look forward to hearing from you all.

Bye.
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  		   Posted 1/23/2009 10:04 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tried Grey Away several months ago.
It didn't work for me, even though the one that I used still had the lead acetate additive in.  The one I purchased was quite cheap and bought of Ebay.

The only one that worked a treat for me was one sold in the UK called 'Formula 16'.
(Not Grecian Formula 16).  Again this had the lead acetate in and worked great. It even coloured very short hair as it came through on the sides and temples. I used to apply it maybe once or twice a week and that was it!

But around 2005-2006 the company stopped producing it, probably down to the new law regarding lead additives no longer being legal.

All the new solutions now seem to contain "Bismuth Cirtrate" to replace the lead acetate, but according to most people's experiences, does not work anywhere near as good! cry
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  		   Posted 1/23/2009 11:25 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hi Peely

Thanks for your reply, much much appreciated, thanks

Regarding the products you said it worked for you in 2005-2006 "Formula 16", i tried searching for it on google, but no luck.

Do you have the full name of the product? because I wanted to google search it, maybe can get hold of it.

Thanks

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  		   Posted 1/26/2009 11:10 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
No, trust me, I have searched high n low for 'Formula 16' before now !

Thought they might still sell it in Europe ?
I even contacted the company who made it here in the UK. The only response I got was
"no we have stopped producing it, and we are not replacing it with anything !"

As I said before I think it can only be down to the 'lead acetate' content and the restrictions that put on the manufacturers not to supply products with it in.
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  		   Posted 1/26/2009 3:19 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Hi Peely

Thanks for your quick reply, very much appreciated.

Will you please keep me updated if you discover any good products, that actually works!!!! please.

Im NOT going to try  NO MORE GREY hair spray, as you said it did'nt work for you.

Maybe Loreal will launch something this year, because its coming to 5 years now, last article in 2004 stated a tropical treatment should be available in 5 years time.

Thanks

 

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  		   Posted 1/28/2009 12:26 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Yes, not easy these days, to find a suitable product that actually works !

I am sure with all the bad press that these products have had recently about not working since the new formula was introduced, they should be near to sourcing a better formula, and one that actually WORKS!!

Come on Grecian, Greyaway, Reminex etc etc .................Pull your fingers out and get us something that works!!!!
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  		   Posted 1/30/2009 10:36 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Who wants to see if hypnosis works?
http://www.realsubliminal.com/product/reverse-gray-hair
(I can't see many testimonials, but at least it's fairly cheap.)
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  		   Posted 1/31/2009 9:07 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I tried L-arginine recently but stopped it as it made me go dizzy and my heart used to race really fast. i thought this was dodgy so stpped it immediately. Have stopped most things except blackstrap molasses and vitamin c and omega-3 as nothing really works for me. The Melan plus tablets were useless too. I'm still trying pepparie topically but have been using for about 4 months now wiith no improvement which is disappointing. i'll prob give this a go for a couple more months then quit if nothing achieved.
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  		   Posted 1/31/2009 9:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
HGH is also used to stem the effects of aging and we are just getting started in what DNA testing can tell us about our susceptability to disease
http://www.dnatestinglabs.net
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  		   Posted 1/31/2009 9:13 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"

White hair may be a thing of the past

Date: November 17, 2008

 . . . Scientists have discovered the drug the body uses to give our hair its natural colour . . .

"The researchers are from the University of Lubeck, Germany, and the University of Manchester, England . . .  Lead researcher Dr Ralf Paus said the technique he used could be used as an "anti-greying agent" in the future . . . "

 

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  		   Posted 2/1/2009 4:08 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I know this is a bit off topic, but I promised to post the reply from LEF in relation to the caution on the Lysine bottle (it says not to use it with arginine). Here is the reply:
 
LEF said...

Thank you for contacting Life Extension. Lysine and arginine are found together in all protein sources, although not in equal amounts. The issue of balance is most important for persons with herpes, for whom an imbalance in the arginine/lysine ratio could trigger an outbreak. Earlier research indicated that lysine and arginine compete with each other to cross the blood-brain barrier, implying that the dosing of these amino acids should be separated by a few hours. However, other research suggests that this may not be an important issue.

 We are currently in the process of evolving this caution and will more than likely be removing this caution from our lysine supplements. If you have any additional questions, please e-mail us or call the advisor helpline at (800) 226-2370.

 
I'm going to give the lysine a go. Nothing else I have tried has worked but I am persisting with the blackstrap molasses and re:nu serum (I think it will prove to be a waste of money). I may try to find some topical HGH after reading the success someone else had with this and minoxidil in reversing hair colour.
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  		   Posted 2/1/2009 9:04 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've been using the Joico Re:nu for 6 months.... Nothing.... Only more grey hairs.... I'm going to give it a go for 8 months/1 year!
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Could any of you scientists or members in the know tell me, if I bought my own lead acetate could that be mixed with the product successfully?

Or would the already bismuth cirtrate content have an adverse effect?

Only asking as the products before the change seemed to work fine!
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  		   Posted 2/7/2009 1:20 PM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
some folks appear to be getting results with a product called virile mane. it's designed to be a regrowth product, but may also affect pigmentation.
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I just found this post on topical melatonin which might be relevant here:
The post cites this study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14996107
which concludes: "....To the authors' knowledge, this pilot study is the first to show that topically applied melatonin might influence hair growth in humans in vivo. The mode of action is not known, but the effect might result from an induction of anagen phase."
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Dulse flakes....I figured with the high copper and iron content, (copper needed to keep hair colour) that it might work.  It does.  One tbsp. a day mixed with a glass of water, with bee pollen to sweeten, if you can't handle the taste.  After a while, you'll be able to see when you took it and when you didn't by how much white is mixed in along a strand of natural hair.  Good luck! 
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  		   Posted 2/9/2009 10:22 AM (GMT -5)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
joannemuriel said...
Dulse flakes....I figured with the high copper and iron content, (copper needed to keep hair colour) that it might work. It does. One tbsp. a day mixed with a glass of water, with bee pollen to sweeten, if you can't handle the taste. After a while, you'll be able to see when you took it and when you didn't by how much white is mixed in along a strand of natural hair. Good luck!



Really ? How long have you tried this for ? Were you grey before you tried it?  I have done a search and can't see any listings that say it has copper in?

Have also found this warning.......

Don't use on a daily basis for more than 2 weeks at a time, taking a 2 week break before using again. This will prevent you from overdosing iodine with potential imbalance in thyroid function. For periodic use only and not to be taken for extended periods of time. Not to be used while pregnant.

So be careful!!
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