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dang
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Posted 2/20/2009 8:05 PM (GMT -5)

anyone have any insight as to whether tocotrineols would help?

http://www.primordialperformance.com/store/Tocotrienols_vitamine_Toco8.html

DDye
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Posted 2/23/2009 4:47 PM (GMT -5)

No.

On a different subject, this article is of interest. http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/abstract/fj.08-125435v1

joannemuriel
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Posted 2/23/2009 5:31 PM (GMT -5)

I was not heavily grey, but they were springing up enough that I knew I had to jump on it. There are two main reasons for going grey, that I am aware of (I consult in this field, I should mention), and that's a lack of copper and/or a deficiency of GABA. I would pull a thread of hair and show people, "Look, this is where I took dulse, and this is where I stopped...and started, and stopped..."

I took a good tablespoon of dulse flakes daily for YEARS....aside from not being able to stand the taste of the stuff (I take lots of things I dislike tasting, because they're good for me...), it worked for as long as I took it, to kept my hair its natural dark- brown colour.

Be careful what you believe, and be especially away of physician-induced, anti-real-food, fear campaigns. They will keep you starving for natural minerals, such as those found in natural sea salt and sea vegetables, such as dulse. If it caused thyroid problems then half of Grand Manan (where Dulse originates) would be walking around buggy-eyed. http://www.naturalways.com/thyroid.htm

Give it a try, and see it what happens..but you have to be consistent and take it every day for about a month+ to start to see the results. Cheers!

joannemuriel
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Posted 2/23/2009 7:23 PM (GMT -5)

I'm sorry, it was PABA. I'm very tired today...not GABA but PABA deficiency that can cause grey hair.

DDye
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Posted 2/23/2009 7:24 PM (GMT -5)

You can edit any of your posts by clicking the pencil icon.

joannemuriel
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Posted 2/23/2009 7:24 PM (GMT -5)

Here's something else I remember. years ago, I found this note saying if a person took a tbsp. a day of each molasses, brewer's yeast, and I think it was wheat germ., so I went looking for it. I found this site of "yeh's' and "nays" regarding molasses for grey hair. This person it saying 2 Tbsp. a day, but there are some other comments at http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/hair_gray.html#BLACKSTRAPMOLASSES

07/16/2008: Sarah from Auckland, New Zealand writes: "At around the same time I started taking 2 tablespoons of blackstrap molasses for the iron (being vegetarian) and taking a Vitamin B supplement (for stress). Before this I had to dye my hair every few weeks to cover the grey that was threatening to overtake my dark hair. After six months of taking the two remedies daily I was able to stop colouring my hair!!! I couldn't believe it! Now I can actually see when I pull the odd grey out that they are gradually turning black at the folicle. It takes a long time, but the results are definitely worth the wait! I'm not sure whether it's the vitamins or the molasses or if they work together. Daily intake seems to be the key. Also I feel healthy and relaxed. Good luck!"

Can't hurt to look at all of our options...!

Jo

kench
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Posted 2/27/2009 10:19 AM (GMT -5)

DDye's article:

Senile hair graying: H2O2-mediated oxidative stress affects human hair color by blunting methionine sulfoxide repair

could be important if H2O2 is a major component of the degenerative process. How about a topical treatment
of methionine and catalase?

Slider
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Posted 3/2/2009 12:26 PM (GMT -5)

Using Joico renual serum 7 months no results.

This H2O2 looks interesting:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1157608/A-solution-dye-scientists-root-grey-hair.html

RichardR
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Posted 3/3/2009 10:32 AM (GMT -5)

Here is an article that i found today that might be of interest to some of you

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29468796/wid/11915773?GT1=31037

JenJ
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Posted 3/3/2009 10:33 AM (GMT -5)

I've been using the Joice Re:nual serum for approximately nine months...any results I noticed are miniscule and I'm almost at the end of the bottle. I don't plan on making any future purchases of this product.

Slider - Thanks for posting the link. Hopefully we'll be reading positive remarks about this possible/potential shampoo.

gbalme
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Posted 3/13/2009 9:38 AM (GMT -5)

Hi, I think it would be good to make a summary of this 43 pages !

- What is working without toxic or sides effects for a good amount of people ?
- What is not working ?

Somebody told me that the mix of PABA (1g/day) + B5 (500mg/day) + B8 (5mg/day) was working. Anyone tested that here?

DDye
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Posted 3/13/2009 9:40 AM (GMT -5)

Have wondered if the new eyelash growth stimulating products which can also darken lashes work by some property that could also be used for head hair. Surely their R&D must've looked into this possibility.

Teen Grey
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Posted 3/16/2009 12:03 PM (GMT -5)

"'Cure for grey hair' on its way

By Mike Swain, Science Editor 4/03/2009

A treatment for grey hair could be on the way after scientists discovered what causes it to lose its colour.

Hydrogen peroxide levels - H202 - in hair are directly related to how quickly it turns grey, they revealed."

gbalme
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Posted 3/17/2009 10:04 AM (GMT -5)

Thanks Ddye.

This article shows that a supplementation in tyrosine should be efficient for repigmenting grey hairs. I will try to take some tyrosine, I believe it can have a really positive effect!

DDye
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Posted 3/17/2009 10:06 AM (GMT -5)

As long as you don't have melanoma or dysplastic nevi, a small amount of tyrosine should be ok.

gbalme
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Posted 3/17/2009 12:34 PM (GMT -5)

500 mg of tyrosine + 2 mg of copper is ok ?

I also take 500 mg of B5 (panthothenic acid) + 5 mg of B8 (biotin) + 1g daily of PABA (500 + 500) + 1 mg of B9 (folic acid).

tarun_f
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Posted 3/18/2009 11:05 AM (GMT -5)

Hi guys check out this article http://sev.prnewswire.com/medical-pharmaceuticals/20090317/DC8452617032009-1.html

JenJ
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Posted 3/18/2009 4:26 PM (GMT -5)

Whoo hooo!! Thanks for the link Tarun_f! Wouldn't it be great if something is brought to retail in the next year or so.

gotsomegray
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Posted 3/19/2009 5:43 PM (GMT -5)

That's definitely good news. I'm glad to hear that there are two institutions getting involved in this. The competition can only help speed things along.

msdow1971
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Posted 3/20/2009 5:37 PM (GMT -5)

Well a recent study just came out that revealed that the real cellular cause for gray hair is excess hydrogen peroxide in the melanocytes and the follicles themselves. This bleaches the hairs. I am guessing that the reason for MOST premature graying is not excess hydrogen peroxide per se or that there is another problem not related to a breakdown of the Gpx-1 system in the body that removes hydrogen peroxide. In most cases of premature graying PABA does seem to work. My thoughts would be to use vitamin E, NAC, and selenium (in no more than 800mcg at the most and probably should be 400 mcg) which all remove hydrogen peroxide, also use folic acid and B12 to reduce homocysteine and then use a moderate amount of PABA to stimulate melanin production. That should do the trick, but i have yet to test this theory. I'm waiting on a shipment of PABA now to test this out. I'll post my results.

StarGazer
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Posted 3/23/2009 8:25 AM (GMT -5)

Thanks for the link about the grey hair antidote in the works from EXT Life Sciences.

Unfortunately, it looks years away. The press release makes it appear it will come out soon, but the end of this video says it won't be soon, and it may even need FDA clinical trials (the FDA always gets in the way of dreams, doesn't it?)

Anyway, go to this link http://www.extlifesciences.com/news.html, then for the video, click the WXYZ - No More Gray Hair video link on that page.

Sounds like the company is trying to come out with a antiaging skin cream in 2009, which has similar properties to the anti-grey hair compound.

StinkyJoe
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Posted 3/23/2009 8:31 AM (GMT -5)

Over the past 4 weeks, there have been a lot of articles on the role of hydrogen peroxide and catalase in hair graying. One article is based on research from EXT Life Sciences (CatSKL) and suggests that a product could be available soon. Here is a repost of that article (already posted in this thread):

http://sev.prnewswire.com/medical-pharmaceuticals/20090317/DC8452617032009-1.html

All of the other articles over the past 4 weeks are from research at University of Bradford. By the way, some of the old links on this thread also cite research from University of Bradford. Here is a Repost of the original PubMed link from Feb. 23, 2009, which started all the current conversation:

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/abstract/fj.08-125435v1

Here is a press release from University of Bradford from Feb. 27, 2009:

http://www.brad.ac.uk/mediacentre/press-releases/Title,679,en.php

Here are some additional recent articles on the subject:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/17/Why-Your-Hair-Turns-Gray-as-You-Age.aspx

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090223131123.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/health/10well.html?_r=2

Here is a quote from one of the articles someone else posted:
"The researchers [at Bradford] are already testing such a drug on three friends whose brown hair has turned grey and expect to know within the next two months whether it works.... However, even if it works, the drug would take several years to reach our shelves."

If they are testing the product On friends (not lab rats), it must be very safe. Maybe a topical catalase? Catalase is already sold as a health supplement, and probably in bulk for industrial use.

Anyone have a suggestion for mimicking the remedy?

StarGazer
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Posted 3/23/2009 9:39 AM (GMT -5)

It gives me more reason to think a SOD topical might work. It worked on rats in a study.

I tried GliSODin for about 100 days w/o results but that was a tablet.

Hopefully someone or some small company will find some way to attack the hydrogen peroxide levels w/o having to go through years and years of FDA trials.

The FDA sux.

msdow1971
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Posted 3/24/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -5)

I leanred a little more abotu PABA. Apparently PABA restores catalase to normal levels in some studies. Like this one http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11569176?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed">pubmed</a>

Also apparently TMG or trimethylglycine (betaine) is better at reducing homocysteine. The relation between homocysteine and methionine (which the authors of the study previously mentioned relieves the H2O2 problem) is that homocysteine is transformed into methionine in the presence of a mthyl donor like TMG or SAMe. I'm thinking of swapping my folic acid for TMG such that I use vitamin E, selenium, TMG, NAC, and PABA. It seems to me that this should work. Like I said though I'll post my results.

msdow1971
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Posted 3/24/2009 9:57 AM (GMT -5)

By the way the only reason that black strap molasses might help graying hair is the high selenium content. You have to be cautious about excess seleniium though because of the danger of selenosis. You should never be taking more than 1000 mcg of selenium under any circumstances and i would not personally take over 800 mcg. You should not take black strap molasses and any other source of selenium although natural sources of selenium do seem to cause far fewer cases of selenosis. It would probably be easier though to just take selenized yeast as it is effective and just as safe as the molasses when taken as recommended.

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