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StarGazer
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Posted 9/23/2009 11:34 AM (GMT -5)

First off, this is the best grey hair forum on the Internet - by a long shot. Nothing comes close.

lasers - that site is bizarre to say the least - I'd say the guy who runs that site has a problem...

Although he speaks of the laser helmet, I have not seen my hair change color with the laser comb. Two different devices, but both use lasers.

L'oreal - thanks for posting the patent. That is good news as it shows it's the read deal and they are not just blowing smoke up our derrieres with those press releases.

Looking at the ingredients in the patent, I wonder if anyone who has a chemist background or special FDA knowledge would have insight into whether or not the FDA would classify L'oreal's product as a drug or a cosmeceutical. If the FDA gets anal on us and classifies it as a drug, we're looking at years of trials.

Before anyone says, "it's a topical shampoo, how could they classify it as a drug," keep in mind the good old FDA is probably making the guys at EXT Life Sciences go through years of drug testing before approving their topical cream.

Davor
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Posted 9/24/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -5)

Hello. I am 26. I had blond hair untill five month with ten gray hair which nobody saw. But from may I start to get gray hair on left and right side. I want to know what is cause from people on this forum. I start to work from january 2009 on high position in big company. Also I have a big nervousness from april because I have a big problem with my girlfriend. Immidiately from may my friend start to look my gray hair and also I look on mirror. Then I' m nervousness and careful permanently. I want to know: Does graying cause from working in a big company or nervousness which I don't pass. My father start to graying on 40. Or can I get gray becase of heredity?

Please tell me graying as a result of :
1. working
2. big nervousness, sorrow
3. heredity
I say that graying start from May and to today go very fast.
Greetings, and sorry for my not enough good english.

Fumpa
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Posted 9/24/2009 1:15 PM (GMT -5)

Yeah StarGazer, that site that I provided a link to seemed questionable. There actually was another site that I had found some time ago with some other guy making similar claims but I unfortunately didn't save the address. Admittedly though even this other site carried a similar questionable feel to it. It does sound like a dead end though given your experience with the laser comb. Oh well. The search continues :).

StarGazer
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Posted 9/28/2009 12:40 PM (GMT -5)

On a bodybuilder forum, this guy is claiming that a product that contains forksolin turned his grey hair back (partially at least) to its natural dark color.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/usp-labs/69191-bulk-powerfull-hair.html

In the bodybuilder site thread, you'll see he initially attributed the change in color to some hgh product he was using, but then after someone posted the famous study in which Dr David Fisher at Harvard found that forksolin turned pale skin in mice dark tan, the bodybuilder attributed the darkening of his hair to products he was taking that contained forksolin.

Michèle
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Posted 9/28/2009 12:42 PM (GMT -5)

I'm a 58 year old female, and I tried several things for my grey. But the stuff that gave the best result was according to the recommendation of Cabledon - 11/5/2008. I modified the quantities because I made allowance for my smaller size.

L-arginine 1000 mg
L-lysine 500 mg

I don't use the pyroglutamate form of arginine as he did, probably should. I've been taking these on an empty stomach before bedtime. My longish thick hair has a lot of rich reddish brown. The grey hair is not as apparent as it used to be. But, I still have some, especially underneath.

I started recently with 250 mg of pantotenic acid to help things along. The other supplements that I take have not changed. And I have a very healthy lifestyle, etc, etc.

Anyways, that's my personal experience.

StinkyJoe
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Posted 9/28/2009 12:53 PM (GMT -5)

Davor said...
Please tell me graying as a result of :
1. working
2. big nervousness, sorrow
3. heredity

I think your problem is from recent stress (big nervousness, sorrow).

It might help if you take B vitamins.

august
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Posted 9/30/2009 6:06 PM (GMT -5)

Google hydrogen peroxide and gray hair. The cause has finally been determined. Forget stress, the culprit is too much hydrogen peroxide in the hair follicle. Now we need to sort out the best of the anti-hydrogen peroxide supplements that are sure to follow. Hopefully LEF will figure out the best and offer it to us. See Tom's post for some great information.

Tom
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Posted 10/1/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -5)

August thanks for that.

However physical and mental stress all play a part in free radical generation and hydroxyl radical. In some studies it has been suggested that gray hair can be an indicator of oxidative stress throughout the body. If this is true than the first place we should investigate is what individuals are doing nor not doing that is causing oxidative stress in their life and thus their bodies.

IMHO, therapies that just target graying hair are not getting to the root of the problem (no pun intended). Diet, exercise (lack of or too much), lack of or poor sleep, prolonged mental fatigue, worry, fear, stress, anxiety, disease, smoking, substance abuse, and metabolism and aging process in general.

We live in an increasingly stressful society that requires our human body to do things that are just not natural. We push our mental and physical limits to the edge. For example, think of the data processing clerk who frantically types in figures to make her quota before the end of day. Or the call-center worker who answers call after call. The surgeon working ten hours trying to save a life. The urbanite who scrambles to get to work on time rushing to the subway pushing and shoving packed inside like sardines. The young couple trying to survive the economic melt down worried when the bank will kick them out of their home.

The ironic thing is, we rush and push ourselves hard to make it to retirement so we can finally relax and be free of stress only to suffer the consequences from the stressful lifestyle and habitual choices of our youth.

I consider myself to be an upbeat person and try to see the glass half full but I'm also a realist. You have to look at correcting graying hair not just for cosmetic reasons but physiological. What is causing it to go gray? Perhaps genetics play a part to a small degree. Defending yourself against free radical damage via therapeutic agents is an important part. However we can not forget about how important it is to first and foremost address a cause by decreasing stress and correcting lifestyle habits.

gotsomegray
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Posted 10/1/2009 9:42 AM (GMT -5)

You are correct about the studies that hydrogen peroxide is the end result which causes gray hair. That being said, what is it that causes hydrogen peroxide build up in the hair follicle or the lack of catalase to neutralize that hydrogen peroxide? Stress could very well be a factor in setting this in motion. I think genetics is a large component, but I believe that lifestyle, health habits, and stress are contributing factors as well.

Davor
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Posted 10/1/2009 4:01 PM (GMT -5)

Hello.
I want to ask. Does everybody get gray hair from hard working (I work in a bank and I have a fag work), or my gray hair are caused from worries, sorrow, nervous. This two things happen in same time. I started to work 8 month ago and I started to have sorrow, nervous 5 month ago. I start to look my gray hair 4 month ago.
Please for answer to know what do I do? Do I leave work, or If working doesn't cause gray hair, to decrease worries, sorrow, nervous. Also I ask, do I decrease worries, nervous, I can reverse the gray hair?
Sorry for my bad English.

albedo
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Posted 10/1/2009 4:38 PM (GMT -5)

Anbody tried this?
http://www.oenobiol.com/en/capillaire/anti-chute.html

august
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Posted 10/2/2009 8:54 AM (GMT -5)

I found a company that seems to be on top of the catalase anti-gray hair product development.
http://www.extlifesciences.com/about.html
They say - "The Company has developed a breakthrough cellular antioxidant platform as part of its TAO class of treatments using a reengineered catalase enzyme which can, for the first time, be delivered to a specific compartment of human cells in order to eliminate oxidant damage."

Fumpa
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Posted 10/2/2009 4:40 PM (GMT -5)

Cool link august. I went to the page found a link to a video that discusses the research a bit. I found it under the news link of the site you provided a link to.

http://www.wxyz.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=19075@wxyz.dayport.com&articleID=19075

Same old story though...the research continues but nothing is available yet. But it's really nice to know that they're working on a topical. I wish it was as simple as doing something like smashing some vegetables or fruit or some other easily accessible (and nontoxic) ingredient in a bowl and then rubbing it on your head. :).

StarGazer
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Posted 10/2/2009 6:16 PM (GMT -5)

Ext Life Sciences stuff was posted and discussed here way back in March. It will be years before they have anything commercialized. They are still just trying to get funding to for their other product (which is not the anti-grey hair product).

Your best hope is L'Oreal's research.

Gaizz
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Posted 10/3/2009 6:11 PM (GMT -5)

New Italian product for treatment Grey Hair...
http://www.vitaminity.com/shop/details.asp?prodid=VIT04&cat=25&path=25

Ingredienti (mg per capsula - mg per 3 capsule)
Emblica e.s. 100 - 300
Clorofilla 100 - 300
Shou Wu e.s. 100 - 300
Inositolo 70 - 210
Colina 70 - 210
PABA 13,3 - 39,9
Kudzu (pueraria) 40 - 120
Vitamina b5 2,3 - 6,9
Acido folico vit. B9 0,1 - 0,3
Mg stearato 14,2 - 42,6

dang
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Posted 10/5/2009 8:59 AM (GMT -5)

An interesting bit concerning astragaloside IV extract, which can be found in a supplement called Astral Fruit:

Grey hairs can be restored by adult stem cells that may be rejuvenated with astragalus extract, which contains telomerase activators such as astragaloside IV. Using the old GAIA Herbs astragalus root extract rated at 1 mg astragalosides per 30 drops works if one employs a 5 mg dose of astragalosides per day for 2 weeks out of 4 using a cyclic activation approach, that is, 150 drops per day half of the month. The next two weeks I use telomerase inhibitors like resveratrol and garlic, so that each cycle is telomerase activation for 2 weeks followed by telomerase inhibition for two weeks. This seems to yield a telomere growth rate of approximately 400 and 460 base pairs per year, resulting in an adult stem cell rejuvenation rate of 8 to 9 years per year, so that one seems to get 8 or 9 years younger each year. This is also observed with TA-65 from TA Sciences, a smaller molecule prepared from astragalosides. Astragaloside IV is available from RevGenetics and Terraternal for cellular rejuvenation. A dose of 100 mg/day will get the rejuvenation result due to repairing short telomeres with the DNA repair enzyme telomerase. Normally, telomeres at the ends of chromosomes in mitotic cells loose approximately 50 base pairs per cell division, until the cell becomes senescent when a t-loop at the end of the chromosome opens, showing a double-strand DNA break that causes cell cycle arrest and transition to the senescent state of the cell. Dermal fibroblasts, for instance, swell up to a larger size (perhaps 3x larger), and their pattern of gene expression changes to emit matrix metalloproteinases that attack the extracellular matrix, such as collagenase and stromelysin. The telomere therapy approach to greying hair may be applied to the entire body, because it rejuvenates adult stem cells that refresh even non-mitotic cells such as nerve and muscle cells. Astragaloside IV skin cream is available from Terraternal.

Latin_Thug
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Posted 10/12/2009 7:14 AM (GMT -5)

Hello,
i am dark blond and i don't have grey hairs but i want to get black hairs faicial head and body hairs. No i don't want to dye it. So there must be something which can do that. Do some of ya know which could might be work?

Fumpa
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Posted 10/13/2009 9:09 AM (GMT -5)

I am considering buying Avalon Organic Botanicals Shampoo Biotin B-Complex. Does anyone think that this product could be beneficial for either slowing the onset of grey hair or reversing it? Also, could there possibly be any bad side effects to using this product.

The following is a list of ingredients for the product:

organic aloe barbadensis, leaf juice, sodium cocoyl sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine, sodium cocoyl sarcosinate, vegetable glycerin, serona serrulata (saw palmetto) fruit extract, panthenol, biotin, thiamine, pyridoxine, niacin, riboflavin, polyquatemium-10, wheat protein, soy protein, citric acid, soyamiidopropalkonium chloride, jojoba oil, organic helianthus annuus (sunflower) oil, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate, ethylexhylglycerin, organic rosamarnius officialnalis (rosemary) leaf oil, other essential oils.

Bob Sakamano
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Posted 10/26/2009 7:29 AM (GMT -5)

Unfortunately, I doubt Avalon shampoo will have any effect on grey hair.

PTM
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Posted 10/26/2009 11:38 AM (GMT -5)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/beauty/article-1222894/Goodbye-grey--The-revolutionary-new-treatment-promises-turn-fading-hair-original-colour.html

StarGazer
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Posted 10/26/2009 5:33 PM (GMT -5)

I don't understand what is going on with L'oreal's "cure" for grey hair. The article in the Daily Mail has them now saying it will be available within 10 years and it will be in oral form.

Well, Bruno (forgot his last name), who headed the research said in an article posted here a month or so ago that it will be a shampoo or some cream...and I couldn't sworn he said it might be available in a couple years.

WTF? Now it's 10 years again and a pill? Same company, same research project.

The patent that was posted here called for some kind of shampoo.

Well guess what folks - L'oreal came out with a media release over 5 years ago saying something would be out in 5 years. NOw, 5 years later, it's 10 years!

I don't think well ever see anything out of them. I was very hopeful, but now I think they are merely trying to get media attention. The timeline constantly changes and so do other details about the research.

I'm beginning to think I'll die grey.

StarGazer
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Posted 10/26/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -5)

http://www.prlog.org/10385090-new-treatment-makes-grey-bikini-line-thing-of-the-past.html

You've got to read this article on grey hair in full to believe it. Hilarious. Found it by doing a search in Google News for "grey hair" today.

Jasmine
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Posted 10/27/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -5)

I am 34 years old and I have ~70% of gray hair for this age. Hair dye is a temporary solution for me

I am still looking for the proven solution to root cause this problem. Anyone can help?

Jasmine
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Posted 10/28/2009 7:27 AM (GMT -5)

Last night, I managed to find one website talking about reverse the gray with natural remedies which is http://www.reversethegray.com. I read the free ebook from there and it talks about how the stress, execise and diet may impact the gray hair growing. Hopefully it may help Davor and anyone who is looking for the resolution. Good luck!

pharmacista
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Posted 10/28/2009 6:50 PM (GMT -5)

Jasmine said...
Last night, I managed to find one website talking about reverse the gray with natural remedies which is http://www.reversethegray.com. I read the free ebook from there and it talks about how the stress, execise and diet may impact the gray hair growing. Hopefully it may help Davor and anyone who is looking for the resolution. Good luck!

jasmine is there any link for this book could u share this or if u read this book could u explain what are they writing?

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