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pchees
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Posted 9/27/2010 10:10 AM (GMT -4)

Hi

Will try and answer all the questions.

gotsomegray

1) no the hair does penetrate the skin. You apply it to the scalp and it travels down to the follicle where the melanin has been created. The solution is a "reduction agent" which reverses the effects of oxidation and so releases the oxygen from the melanin. This allows the melanin to start producing colour again.

2) You only need to apply a small amount to each part of the hair. I think the inital treatment of the hair will take 1 to 2 bottles depending upon length and hair type. Then 1 bottle every 3-6 months should be anough to maintain.

Now from our research we know that men and women can spend several hundred dollars a month colouring their hair so the price of SHER is comparable initially and cheaper in the long run.

Paco1

The length of hair is not important during its use. You can have very short or very long hair.

Sartios

Before I looked at this product I would have agreed with you. I always thought that grey hair was due to a reduction in melanin.

The inventor is claiming this is not true, and he is a highly regarded scientist with a long history of innovations. I can't prove it to you though as I am not a scientist. I am sure the company could provide more evidence to any prospective distributors including meetings etc.

All I can say if that throughout history, ideas that were once thought irreputable have been turned on their head. I just ask everyone to keep an open mind.

The product is certified for safe use in Europe and the company can provide all the certifications for prospective distributors.

Best wishes

pchees

pchees
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Posted 9/27/2010 10:12 AM (GMT -4)

Hi all

Here is a source of independent study that shows that is it oxidation that cause grey hair by the generation of hydrogen peroxide which is a known strong oxidiser. After all those people who bleach their hair use agents containing hydrogen peroxide.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/foas-nla022309.php

The only way to stop this is to introuce a "reduction" agent that can reverse the process.

This is what the inventors of SHER have done.

And that is why it works.

Best wishes

pchees

vigilante
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Posted 9/27/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -4)

This is not a matter of believing or not, this forum is not focusing on faith but on science. At this point the relation of the hydrogen peroxide to the gray hair is well documented. The novelty is this assertion: "I always thought that grey hair was due to a reduction in melanin. The inventor is claiming this is not true...". Well, because of being liked to gruesome diseases like cancer, different studies trying to find a cure to the malignant melanoma affirm this: "...gradual dying off of adult stem cells that form a reservoir that spawns a continuous supply of new pigment-manufacturing cells, called melanocytes." (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/18316.php ). So it deserves credibility. Since you affirm that's wrong and such assertion is backed by a highly regarded scientist (who knows if he could be contributing to a higher cause than just the gray hair cure) could you please tell us if he has published this discovering in any scientific publication? If not, is there any study or document to contrast this affirmation or we just have your word?

Thanks in advance for clarifying this point.

Gaizz
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Posted 9/27/2010 11:53 AM (GMT -4)

pchees said...
Hi all
The only way to stop this is to introuce a "reduction" agent that can reverse the process.

This is what the inventors of SHER have done.

And that is why it works.

pchees

The "reduction" agent is the CATALASE... SHER no contain the enzyme catalase....

gotsomegray
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Posted 9/27/2010 12:18 PM (GMT -4)

pchees said...
Hi

Will try and answer all the questions.

gotsomegray

1) no the hair does penetrate the skin. You apply it to the scalp and it travels down to the follicle where the melanin has been created. The solution is a "reduction agent" which reverses the effects of oxidation and so releases the oxygen from the melanin. This allows the melanin to start producing colour again.

2) You only need to apply a small amount to each part of the hair. I think the inital treatment of the hair will take 1 to 2 bottles depending upon length and hair type. Then 1 bottle every 3-6 months should be anough to maintain.

Now from our research we know that men and women can spend several hundred dollars a month colouring their hair so the price of SHER is comparable initially and cheaper in the long run.

Hello pchees. Thanks again for more clarification. I am still a bit confused by the wording of one of the FAQs.

· Is it absorbed through the skin?

o No, it is only absorbed through the hair, and washed off/rejected by the skin.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if a product can penetrate a hair follicle without penetrating the skin itself, but this is definitely confusing to me.

I agree that if SHER does what it says it does, then the cost is not too unrealistic, but I don't know anyone who spends that much coloring hair. It will be difficult for people to make that leap until we have more to substantiate the claims. If it works, the word will get out eventually. That's for sure.

DanRo
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Posted 9/27/2010 2:07 PM (GMT -4)

pchees said...
Hi all

Here is a source of independent study that shows that is it oxidation that cause grey hair by the generation of hydrogen peroxide which is a known strong oxidiser. After all those people who bleach their hair use agents containing hydrogen peroxide.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-02/foas-nla022309.php

The only way to stop this is to introuce a "reduction" agent that can reverse the process.

This is what the inventors of SHER have done.

And that is why it works.

Best wishes

pchees

That is not what your product is doing. If it were then a person’s hair would re-color starting at the roots and then grow out in a process that would take months, not a matter of days.

You would be better off marketing SHER for what it is: an artificial re-coloring product then sell it at a reasonable price otherwise you may make a fast buck initially but it’ll be quickly labeled as a scam. “Go Away Gray” is already being known that way, just read the posts at Amazon. Although the company is getting rich doing it they won’t be around long.

Latin_Thug
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Posted 9/27/2010 4:45 PM (GMT -4)

@pechees ..Does it also darken light hair wich are not grey??
Because i'm light brown but i want dark hair!

DanRo
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Posted 9/28/2010 10:07 AM (GMT -4)

pchees I’m trying to understand exactly what you’re saying. The latest studies on why hair goes white or gray determined that at the cellular level H2O2 is blocking the melanin from coloring the hair by disrupting the enzymes that create it. This is happening due to lower catalase levels.

Gray hair that is already grown out, besides being dead contains no melanin according to these researchers and others. Is your company now claiming that consensus isn’t true and that white hair is in fact pigmented but only appears white because the H2O2 bleached it and that this product reverses the process so that the color returns? If so where are the company’s studies written in the literature, do you have a link?

Anyone can make claims and I have to tell you SHER just looks like an expensive version of Grecian Formula to me.

kench
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Posted 9/28/2010 10:07 AM (GMT -4)

RE follicle vs shafts, from the paper abstract:

Notably, under in vitro conditions, Met oxidation can be prevented by L-methionine. In summary, our data feed the long-voiced, but insufficiently proven, concept of H2O2-induced oxidative damage in the entire human hair follicle, inclusive of the hair shaft, as a key element in senile hair graying, which does not exclusively affect follicle melanocytes.

pchees
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Posted 9/28/2010 10:09 AM (GMT -4)

Hi some more answers

vigilante

I will ask if he has published himself and let you know.

Gaizz

SHER contains a secret combination of natural enzymes that the inventor discovered and that is what removes the oxygen. I can't tell you what they are as that is their trade secret

gotsomegray

My mistake. I checked this again. SHER enters the hair itself and travels down the hair until it reached the follicle, and then it removes the oxygen.

Apologies. I am not a scientist "

Also, you are right, it doesn't matter what I say about the product or the inventor. People will try it, and if it works they will tell their friends and so on and so forth. The product will spread, more distributors will pick it up.

I know it works because I tried it, but even after showing pictures I understand people are sceptical.

DanRo

Sorry we will have to disagree. All I can say is how the product works and let people try it themselves. Only then will it be judged a success.

This will take time. The company is there for the long haul.

Latin_Thug

The product will only restore to your natural colour. For example my natural colour is lightish brown and that is what it went back to.

Please keep asking more questions.

Best wishes

pchees

StarGazer
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Posted 9/28/2010 1:14 PM (GMT -4)

pchees

I'm a marketing myself. If I really wanted to silence the critics, I'd offer 5 people on the board a free sample. It would cost the company < $800, which is chicken feed.

If the product is as good as you claim, you would have 5 people on the board singing its praises. The company would easily recoup the $800 in added sales.

I'm not saying this to get a free sample myself because I quite frankly don't want to put it on my head.

But from one marketing guy to another, sometimes you have to be bold to prove a point. If I ran the company and had the magic elixir for gray hair, I would give away about 100 bottles to key opinion leaders.

kench
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Posted 9/28/2010 4:36 PM (GMT -4)

Certainly many groups are working hard on an anti-oxidant combo that will block H202 and maybe even repair some of the damage to the melanocytes and stem cells. Several effective products will certainly be introduced in the next year. The pro-catalase and pro-methionine ingredients will generally not be patentable, and that is why Sher uses trade secrets, as limited protection. It also explains why their only hope of making a profit is to sell at a high price to early adopters.

vigilante
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Posted 9/28/2010 5:31 PM (GMT -4)

It seems so, next year there will be a revolution in the gray hair treatment, but there will be also a significant difference with Sher. Companies like Life Extension, L'Oreal... etc can demonstrate the result of their achievements with studies carry out by independent testing agencies which sounds really professional and reliable to me. Until now Sher is just offering the pictures taken by a marketing consultant involve in the business, then not neutral, who answers the questions perfunctorily. I personally prefer to wait for some months, I prefer science before promises. Don't you wonder why they are so reluctant to post any document attesting to their product?

Post Edited (vigilante) : 9/28/2010 5:39:55 PM (GMT-4)

StarGazer
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Posted 9/29/2010 9:58 AM (GMT -4)

I'm not sure why you fellas think some breakthrough product is going to come out next year. L'Oreal is way behind on their orginal timeline and have still said it will be years away. And EXT Life Sciences has not even had a trial yet.

If you know of another breakthrough product in which the company said it was coming to market in 2011, I'm all ears. But there is not anything out there that is reliable that is coming in 2011.

matador
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Posted 9/29/2010 10:23 AM (GMT -4)

Hi pchees,

I have two question

First question :

If the product works by enzymes why we can't wash the hair for 10 days. I seem to remember that another progressive dye product (grecian) saids don't wash the hair for several days.

Second question:

Do you know when the sher by makiko sakada will be available in Europe??

Tnx

DanRo
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Posted 9/29/2010 10:40 AM (GMT -4)

Another artificial hair coloring agent on the way except you probably won't have to pay $149.00 a bottle for it:

https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document?PN=EP2191819%20EP%202191819&iDocId=7331169&iepatch=.pdf

StarGazer
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Posted 9/29/2010 10:59 AM (GMT -4)

DanRo - re: your post. Your link didn't work.

Gaizz
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Posted 9/29/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -4)

StarGazer said...
DanRo - re: your post. Your link didn't work.

Write the link without the two "<b></b>"

vigilante
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Posted 9/29/2010 7:06 PM (GMT -4)

If I'm not mistaken EXT Life has been working for a long time synthesizing a molecule which mimics the catalase in an attempt to reverse the gray hair and next month is starting a study with volunteers conducted by a testing agency. As far as I know that's the final phase to check the viability of a product before to be launched, if they are at that point sure is not damp squib. about L'Oreal, yes, they are overdue, you know what I think? They have a big piece of the dyers pie, specific shampoos, conditioners... etc for the gray hair. Why spoil such business? I'll wager 149$ that one day after any company officially announce having the cure for the gray hair, Dr Bernard will coincidentally also announce having finally found the formula.

I don't know about any other specific company developing a product with the same aim, but for sure they are working, the knowledge about the biologic mechanism involved is deeper every time and the reward immense, imagine, 149$ per bottle... And they will deserve it for being ahead of the competition.

manageyouragedotcom
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Posted 9/29/2010 7:07 PM (GMT -4)

I was looking for more information about the Promel pill discussed earlier in the thread and I found this: http://www.rapidnewswire.com/greyhair.htm it looks like it has the potential to be promising. Does anyone else have more information or links to more information about this pill?

StarGazer
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Posted 9/30/2010 10:04 AM (GMT -4)

manageyouragedotcom - Promel was an Internet hoax.

DanRo - interesting patent there - Johnson & Johnson filed it. So there's hope even if it sounds bizarre. Plus, it sounds like if (big if) it every reached the market, it might be a cosmeceutical (hence, no lengthy drug trials).

DanRo
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Posted 9/30/2010 10:04 AM (GMT -4)

Here it is again, the original link was a PDF, that's probably why it didn't work:

Lotus Extract

matador
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Posted 9/30/2010 10:11 AM (GMT -4)

Hi manageyouragedotcom,

I'm sorry but the promel is a scam, or better don't exist any product named "Promel".

The article that you posted was of 2007.

Bye

bugbug
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Posted 10/1/2010 10:13 AM (GMT -4)

There is an easy way to test if SHER is legit. Test it on somebody who is naturally blond. If that persons hair goes from gray back to their natural blond colour then it's obviously not a dye.

modesto
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Posted 10/4/2010 10:05 AM (GMT -4)

So are we talking about a dye with this Lotus Extract or a kind of permanent solution?
And it is easy to make and start using without waiting for it to come to the market.

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