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|  AussieDavid Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 181 | Posted 3/22/2006 8:11 PM (GMT -5) |   | | Has anyone heard of a medication called cat's claw? I went to my local health food shop today to see if they stocked GH3 (see earlier posts on GH3). They had not heard of it. I explained to the guy working there that I wanted it for grey hair. He immediately said that he has seen several customers reverse their grey hair using 'cat's claw'. Anyhow, I had him make some up in a liquid. I have to take 5ml/day with water or juice. It tastes gross, but I am willing to give it a go. I am a 36 yo male. I started getting grey hair in my early 20's and am now totally grey along the sides and most of the top. I use 'Just for Men' every 3 weeks, so no one knows the extent of my grey hair. I have been taking 'Shou Wu Pian', (Plum Flower Brand), 6 tablets/day for the past 2 months. There has been absolutely no change in my grey hair, but they do say that it may take up to 6 months to work. I am also taking 1/2 IU of Recombinant HGH 5 nights/week. This was prescribed by my doctor in response to a 24 hr Urinary GH test and very low IGF-1 levels. Additionally I take 50 mg DHEA daily in Troche form and at night 3 mg melatonin. For hair loss I am taking 1/4 Proscar/day, and also applying a solution of 7% Minoxodil with 0.01% Retinoic Acid to my scalp (1 ml, morning and night). I also take several vitamin supplements: grape seed extract, hawthorn, garlic and parsley caps, saw palmetto, Bio Zinc, cOQ10 (200 mg daily), BioC (1000 mg), omega oils, and a "mens" multivitmin. I am starting to wonder if I am going overboard with all of this supplementation, but I definitely feel much better than I did a year ago, before I started. My older brother (39) has virtually no grey hair and the same for my younger brother (34). Post Edited By Moderator (DDye) : 3/22/2006 7:14:07 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
  |  greybeard Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 82 | Posted 3/27/2006 1:32 PM (GMT -5) |   |
AussieDavid said... ... I am also taking 1/2 IU of Recombinant HGH 5 nights/week. This was prescribed by my doctor in response to a 24 hr Urinary GH test and very low IGF-1 levels. Additionally I take 50 mg DHEA daily in Troche form and at night 3 mg melatonin. For hair loss I am taking 1/4 Proscar/day, and also applying a solution of 7% Minoxodil with 0.01% Retinoic Acid to my scalp (1 ml, morning and night). I also take several vitamin supplements: grape seed extract, hawthorn, garlic and parsley caps, saw palmetto, Bio Zinc, cOQ10 (200 mg daily), BioC (1000 mg), omega oils, and a "mens" multivitmin. I am starting to wonder if I am going overboard with all of this supplementation, but I definitely feel much better than I did a year ago, before I started. My older brother (39) has virtually no grey hair and the same for my younger brother (34).
How often do you get your IGF-1 levels checked now that you are on GH? Is your doctor likely to keep you on it for the anti-aging effect? Any side effects (that is the lowest dose of GH I have heard of anyone taking so I bet not)? What brand are you using?
I take 1.25 mg fin as well, no sides and it seems to help. Are your hair loss treatments helping? How are your brothers in terms of hair loss?
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  |  AussieDavid Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 181 | Posted 3/28/2006 11:35 AM (GMT -5) |   | |
In response to greybeards' questions:
I get my IGF levels checked evey 4 months. There hasn't really been any change and my doctor wanted me to go up to 1 IU/day. I did that for a while, but I am paranoid about side effects (like becomming diabetic or my bones growing) so I have stuck with the 1/2 IU/day. My doctor will keep me on it for anti-ageing effects. I am using a brand called 'Scitropin'. It can be used with a needless injector, but I have gone back to traditional needles because the needless injector didn't work so well. I have just done some more blood tests last week so I should get the results in the next 10 days. I have been particularly irritable lately and have been shedding a lot of hair for the last 4 weeks. I suspect that maybe it is related to the 50mg/day of DHEA that I have been taking. I am guessing that my testosterone levels are high and that maybe my DHT levels have increased as a result. I will know when the blood tests get returned as he requested both testosterone and DHEA levels. If you really want to stop your hair loss, research 'Avodart'. I took it for almost a year and my hair grew really thick. There were side effects however, so I returned to finasteride.
As far as hair loss treatments go, I am taking 1.25 mg Finasteride/day, 320 mg saw palmetto. I get my doctor to prescribe a solution of 7% Minoxodil and 0.01% retinoic acid. I get this made up at a compounding chemist (in Australia). I apply 1 ml to my scalp morning and night. This is the same solution that 'Ashley and Martin' use at their clinics (they are a successful hair loss clinic in Australia). Apparently the retinoic acid is important in the mix to enable the minoxodil to absorb far enough into the scalp. My hair routine routine also now includes using the Hairmax Lasercomb (don't really know if it does anything though) and I also have a UV wand which I bought from Ashley and Martin (again, I don't know if it really does anything). I am of course now also taking the 'Shou Wu Pian' and cat's claw, both in an attempt to restore colour to my hair. I am thinking about adding GH3 to the list as well. I have been taking the Cat's Claw for about a week and one thing that I have noticed is that the 'whites' of my eyes have become very clear and white and my eyes look kinda glazed...is this a good thing?
In comparison to my brothers, I definitely have retained more hair and have just slight receding in the temporal areas. However, I am almost totally gray and they have very few grays at all. They gray thing totally confuses me. I have a fairly stressful job (airline pilot), but I don't think that could make me as gray as I am.
- Have wondered about the zinc/copper ratio in this. Zinc deficiency is linked with hair loss and higher levels of zinc are linked with a depression of copper levels and a possible decline in pigmentation. Is it possible to strike a perfect balance? - mod
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 |  zorba990 Registered Member
       Date Joined Jul 2004 Total Posts : 710 | Posted 3/28/2006 11:40 AM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  greycrown Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 2 | Posted 3/29/2006 10:38 AM (GMT -5) |   | Has anyone had any sucess with Melancor?..... Please reply | | Back to Top | | |
 |  sfrbm Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 20 | Posted 3/31/2006 11:51 AM (GMT -5) |   | Dear Grey:
LEF's SODZyme may help reverse some greying, especially the kind that appears in your thirties. Be sure to drink plenty of water with those enzymes too. SODZyme is also indicated in reversing "brown age spots" on the skin in some older folks too.
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  |  biggarrison Registered Member
       Date Joined May 2005 Total Posts : 50 | Posted 4/2/2006 12:27 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
Seems that LEF Mix covers all that, except that the beta-carotene, copper, and lycopene doses are higher in the product you mentioned. Interesting.
I'm taking 23 mg of lycopene daily (3 mg from LEF Mix, and 20 mg from the prostate formula I take), but my beta-carotene and copper doses are from the LEF Mix. It might be interesting to up my doses of those as well, along with continuing the Green Stuff to see what happens.
larryj said...I came across a supplement for gay hair on the internet. There's only one testimonial on this link with a before and after pictures. http://www.compassionet.com/testimonials.asp?ID=38&product=TOKI-Color It has these ingredients: Vitamin A (as beta-carotene) 10,000 IU 200% Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 500 mg 833% Vitamin E (as D-alpha tocopheryl acid succinate) 200 IU 667% Folate (as folic acid) 400 mcg 100% Vitamin B12 1 mg 16,667% Panothenic Acid (as calcium pantothenate) 250 ng 2,500% Calcium (as calcium pantothenate) 24 mg 2% Copper (as Copper sulfate) 3 mg 450% Lyc opene 30 mg ** HAI Amino Acid Extract (from sea algae) I'd appreciate if someone could tell whether these ingredients could have any side effects. I was able to reverse some of my gray hair in a few months when I had taken a multivitamin/multimineral supplement, a 50 mg vitamin B complex and by trying to eat food rich in copper. The problem with food rich in copper is that they are usually high in fat and calories. I gave up on this regimen and then I started getting more gray hair gradually. I tried drinking 2 ounces of wheatgrass every day for a few months without taking any other supplements, but I didn't see any reversal. I also tried taking 3 g of chlorella everyday for about 6 months with no results. Thanks.
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 |  biggarrison Registered Member
       Date Joined May 2005 Total Posts : 50 | Posted 4/2/2006 12:27 PM (GMT -5) |   | b4its2late.....I FINALLY replied to your PM. Sorry for the long delay :-(
And I'm sorry to the rest about being late with an update. I've been dealing with some issues here in regards to my father's stroke that he suffered last year, and i have barely had time to breathe.
As I said previously, I did indeed up my dose of the Green Stuff caps to nine per day instead of six. Here is what I've found....
1: I've noticed a further darkening of the hairs that were previously darkened. Instead of being a light brown, they are now the dark brown that my hair is.
2: I have also noticed further darkening of the patch. Sporadic in the middle, with a dark hair here and there. But the overall size of the patch that I'm monitoring myself has noticeably decreased.
3: The circular patch in the middle of my head seems to have decreased in size, but there is really no way for me to know for sure. The placement of it makes it just about impossible to monitor by myself.
4: The sporadic greys on my temples, etc seem to have decreased. But that is just speculative really.
On a negative note, I have noticed more grey in my beard! But seeing that I shave all but the moustache (which has no grey in it), it's really a nonfactor. But interesting to say the least.
So thats the point I'm at right now. I'm going to continue with the 9 caps per day dose of the Green Stuff, plus I'm adding two caps of Chlorella per day to go with it.
Another though that is bouncing around my head is upping the dose of the Green Stuff even further by taking the caps with Green Stuff powder mixed in water or juice. Don't know if I will or not, but it might be interesting to see the results if I do.
Other than that my supplement regiment has remaied the same, with the exception of adding a Blueberry extract cap daily.
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 |  Bao Saka Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 37 | Posted 4/2/2006 3:28 PM (GMT -5) |   | Answer to reverse grey hair.
As a new member to this forum, I see your frustration, but it's not the major at all. If I say it's not that hard to get back your old or original hair color, the people will jump to me and give me bad feed back. I know it happened to me but not now, it happened to many people but not any more because I have discoverd the simple method by using only one thing from groceries store and it works, it works really well by making your own drink, after 2-3 weeks, you will see hair become changing from gray to your own hair color. Other than that you will benifit such as:to balance hormones, strengthens bone, improve memory and brain functioning, and improve your sex life. I will find out what's called in English. I wonder how many people will be interested in it. It's natural and no chemical involved at all.
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 |  eric Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2005 Total Posts : 4 | Posted 4/4/2006 5:42 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
  |  alfax Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2005 Total Posts : 241 | Posted 4/8/2006 1:55 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
Does anyone have any information about BIMATOPROST, the glaucoma drug that showed promise for gray hair reversal (without side efects)?
This drug has a U.S PATENT(CHECK PREVIOUS THREADS IN THIS FORUM), AND IS SOLD BY Allergan inc of California.
Does anyone know if this company intends to launch an anti gray-hair product?
I fear that because the patent is recent (early 2005 I think) perhaps a product shouldnt be launched before 5-10 years.
It would be interesting if someone got this substance and prepare a topical solution and tried it for a few months ...
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   |  Gaizz Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2006 Total Posts : 46 | Posted 4/9/2006 5:10 PM (GMT -5) |   | IT'S A JOKE???
Bao Saka said...
Answer to reverse grey hair.
As a new member to this forum, I see your frustration, but it's not the major at all. If I say it's not that hard to get back your old or original hair color, the people will jump to me and give me bad feed back. I know it happened to me but not now, it happened to many people but not any more because I have discoverd the simple method by using only one thing from groceries store and it works, it works really well by making your own drink, after 2-3 weeks, you will see hair become changing from gray to your own hair color. Other than that you will benifit such as:to balance hormones, strengthens bone, improve memory and brain functioning, and improve your sex life. I will find out what's called in English. I wonder how many people will be interested in it. It's natural and no chemical involved at all.
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 |  alfax Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2005 Total Posts : 241 | Posted 4/10/2006 2:32 PM (GMT -5) |   | |
Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people are posting in this forum trying to publicize/sell their homemade concotions- none of which will have any effect in the colour of your hair.
Let's get serious and concentrate on the products wich are backed by solid science.
AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE ARE ONLY 3 (THREE) PRODUCTS/SUBSTANCES WICH HAVE SOLID SCIENTIFIC BACKING FOR REVERSING GRAY HAIR:
1) L´ÓREAL PRECURSOR MOLECULE FOR MELANIN dihydroxyl-5.6-indole
2) L´ÓREAL US PATENT: 20050214821- As greyboy said:"reverses grey hair by fixing the genetic problem that causes it, apparently by administering "polynucleotide fragments" to the affected areas.
3) BIMATOPROST-(wich i mentioned earlier).Sold by Allergan inc of California
SO OUR ONLY HOPE IS THAT THESE BIG COMPANIES WILL LAUNCH AN AFFORDABLE PRODUCT (in 5-10 years) BASED ON THESE SUBSTANCES. THE REST IS MAINLY B.S. AND WISHFUL THINKING.
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  |  BartSimpson Registered Member
       Date Joined Apr 2006 Total Posts : 56 | Posted 4/10/2006 3:07 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  lei.talk Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2004 Total Posts : 408 | Posted 4/11/2006 12:00 PM (GMT -5) |   |
it happened, again. i must be right on the edge of not having grey hair.
for almost five months, i have been baby-sitting a friend's grand-daughter in northern california.
teaching her to walk and talk does not stimulate my metabolism the way that instructing girls at my palaestra does.
high altitude, snow, central heating with out a humidifier, no daily love-making, no girl sleeping in my arms, not even their smiling faces and melodious voices to keep my endocrine system "dialed in" -
all seemed to result in a blurring of my meticulously maintained physique.
first i noticed my jaw-line and sterno-cleido-mastoids were no longer hard and sharp, then, my abs were definitely blurring.
i started adding five grams of tyrosine to my post-exercise drink - hoping to perk-up my glands.
a week later, as i cut my hair, i noticed it was growing in - darker.
like i said, i must be right on the edge of not having grey hair.
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 |  BartSimpson Registered Member
       Date Joined Apr 2006 Total Posts : 56 | Posted 4/11/2006 12:56 PM (GMT -5) |   | you are saying that creatine and a break to your mind made your hair dark again?
please post pics of pre/post.
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 |  AussieDavid Registered Member
       Date Joined Mar 2006 Total Posts : 181 | Posted 4/12/2006 2:00 PM (GMT -5) |   | | I agree that there are a lot of people on here who are just pushing their product. Sorting through the garbage is very frustrating for people like myself who are seriousy looking for answers to reversing gray hair.
I have been on He Shou Wu for the past 2 months with no results.
I started taking 'Cats Claw' in liquid form a few weeks ago in addition to the He Shou Wu. No results as yet (but the whites of my eyes are super white now).
I have been taking 1/2 IU Injectible HGH for the past year. No results on my hair as yet.
I have just ordered SODzyme. I will add that to the experiment.
I have also just ordered GH3. I will add that as well.
I'm 36yo male, almost totally gray and totally sick of using Just for Men every 3 weeks.
I'll post updates on my progress (or lack thereof). I figure this is a long term effort to restore colour to my hair. I don't believe people who post on here saying they had results in a week or two. Keep it honest please. | | Back to Top | | |
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