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my last post got truncated.. I think.. sorry DDye..
here is the rest...

I was taking 1/10 to 1/15 the EPA amount in GLA as to not go into "spillover".. May have been too low. going to 3X my GLA.

Dr Sears says:
AA less than 9% of the total fatty acids
DGLA greater than 3% of the total fatty acids
EPA greater than 4% of the total fatty acids

http://www.drsears.com/ArticlePreview/tabid/399/itemid/68/Default.aspx

Albedo,

Dr Sears wants to target AA/EPA to be 1.5. Below .5 may be bleeding danger,
stroke. yours looks low.. but conflicting is your omega6/omega3 ratio is 4 and mine
was two.. Dr Sears has stated that (intake of) omega6:omega3 of 4:1 is about
the upper limit without going into silent inflammation.

There may be methodology differences between Dr Sears AA/EPA test methods
and the LEF omegascore AA/EPA.. but Dr Sears & LEF omegascore use the
same lab, Nutrasource Diagnostics Inc. Albedo, was your test the LEF omegascore
or was it direct from Nutrasource or other lab via a regular blood draw?

In any case, both of us are probably in better shape with regard to inflammation
than about 98% of the rest of the public.
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SpainEurope, maybe you wish to comment on my results also. I will retest soon and will post. Both ghg2 and myself seem to have the SIP ratio less than one. I am taking 2g/d of LEF fish oil (capsules). Hope you are doing well!
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ghg2 said...
........  Albedo,

Dr Sears wants to target AA/EPA to be 1.5. Below .5 may be bleeding danger,
stroke. yours looks low.. but conflicting is your omega6/omega3 ratio is 4 and mine
was two.. Dr Sears has stated that (intake of) omega6:omega3 of 4:1 is about
the upper limit without going into silent inflammation.

There may be methodology differences between Dr Sears AA/EPA test methods
and the LEF omegascore AA/EPA.. but Dr Sears & LEF omegascore use the
same lab, Nutrasource Diagnostics Inc. Albedo, was your test the LEF omegascore
or was it direct from Nutrasource or other lab via a regular blood draw? .....
Thank you ghg2! I use the same local reputed clinical lab since several years. Probably these numbers are not cast in stone: when my SIPs were 1.3 and 2.1, the omega-6/omega-3 ratio were resp. 4.9 and 7.5. I also reduced fish oil supplementaion as I also like to eat wild salmon and other (small) fat fish quite regularly. Will see in the next text...
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I am a little busy these days but I read this thread, and I am concerned about your results..

Maybe may it be the key for understanding these results that they are calculated instead of directly measured (if I undertood well Dr Sears team opinion about LEF Omega 3 tests)?
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SpainEurope said...
I am a little busy these days but I read this thread, and I am concerned about your results..

Maybe may it be the key for understanding these results that they are calculated instead of directly measured (if I undertood well Dr Sears team opinion about LEF Omega 3 tests)?
Thank you SpainEurope, know you have other preoccupations these days and hope you are doing well. You are right: the ratios are calculated from the actual whole blood results (in umol/L). I am sorry, I do not get the difference ! What Dr Sears team says about this ?
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This interesting tread seems slowly dying. Woud like to get more feedback on the Zone which I am still trying to follow. I only reducted fish oil capsules (from LEF) to 0.5-1x/day (500-1000 mg)

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Everybody could post here new Sears' articles for example..
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got the Irvingia/zone diet weight loss going again.

Dr Sears mentions that the Atkins diet (lots of protein) makes you lose lots of weight, but adds that too much protein causes uric and other acids to build up, with bad side effects. I used to eat mostly carbs before finding out about Irvingia, then Dr Sears & the zone. I increased my protein to get more into the zone along with 15-18 LEF fish oil (Super omega3 001482) and Irvingia. Worked great for about a year, lost about 100 lbs and kept it off. Then it more or less came to a standstill, increased exercise, and am very slowly going down.

On 9/11, started playing around with drinking Alkaline water [ www.alkalife.com ]. Drinking 6 or 7 glasses of pH 10-10.5 water made from sodium hydroxide, Alkalife drops (potassium+sodium hydroxide), Essentia pH 9.5 bottled water, baking soda, potassium bicarbonate, etc..Have 3 pH meters. Test urine with Hydrion 345 pH paper (range 6-8), have been keeping urine pH 7.0 to 7.6. It was pH 5.5 or so before starting. Sang Whang teaches that too much acid causes aging and has a couple of books on the subject.

Boy, what a difference. Weight dropping like a rock again, lost about two pant sizes in 5 weeks. Possibly, the extra acid built up from adding more protein from the zone? Sang Whang, alkalife.com, dug up some research which shows people over age 45 (incl me) have their bicarbonate levels drop off, leading to the body having harder time clearing acids from metabolism, so the body stores extra acids in tissues, esp fat cells to keep the acids out of the blood. Take small amounts of bicarbonate, and boom, off comes the fat again, since the acids are gone. The Irvingia / fish oil and the zone are now pushing off the fat since the stored acids are not holding the fat back? Drinking soda pop, incl diet, has huge negative effect on pH balance. One diet Coke at pH 2.5 takes 32 glasses of pH 10 water to neutralize the acid in it.

My blood sugar has dropped from 100-105 to around 85 also.

My thyroid output has also increased, so I stopped my synthroid meds for now 3 days ago.
--ghg
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Interesting. Loren Cordain in PaleoDiet (a diet very similar to Zone) talks about importance of alkaline-acid balance. New Atkins Diet is so similar to Zone with a lot of veggies and some fruit.
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ghg, little time to search by myself... do you have links to studies on using alkaline water? Tks in advance. I was once inspired by the huge case Kurzweil & Grossman made on this in their first "Fantastic Voyage" while the successor book "Transcend" made no mention of it at all. I suspected a blunder and completely dropped the idea to play with it.

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Here are a bunch of links ghg has found on alkaline water (ionized water).

Kurzweil still sells water ionizers....

For ghg, I am just taking sodium and potassium bicarbonate about 3X per day, about 1/4 - 1/2 tsp.. Easily gets urine to pH 7.6-8.0.  Essentia pH 9.5 bottled water, Alkalife drops and pills don't seem to move my urine pH very much if at all.  They do seem to work in raising urine pH in some friends..maybe my bad diet and acidified fat are too much for the standard 'dose'  I also seem to have much more energy, and my thyroid output has increased, so I cut my synthroid dose by 50% after skipping it totally for 5 days.

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Sang Whang Interview Alkaline Reduced Water Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhgLFfKEuBw

Sang Wang says best to drink 330cc of pH 10 (minimum) water 5 times/day.

Sang Whang Interview Alkaline Reduced Water Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2KZwEqYKiE

http://alkaline-water-facts.com/diabetes.html

http://www.chippynews.com/AlkalineWaterandDiabetes.pdf

http://www.waterionizer.org/site/898596/page/805008

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Simoncini.html

Drinking water with a small amount of baking soda (about ¼ tsp twice/day)

http://www.ehow.com/how_5616960_drink-bicarbonate-soda-health.html

http://www.avianweb.com/bakingsodacancertreatment.html

Anti Cancer Effect of Alkaline Reduced Water

http://heartspring.net/alkaline_water_anticancer.html

Onocologist treating colon cancer by irrigating it with baking soda solution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npgyZMaewuE

Other cancers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMfrV43ku4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0PC9EQPiNU

Curing Breast cancer with bicarbonate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ID3_3h6ra0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUx1zh_V9s8

Electrolyzed Water - Ionized Water Research (also alkaline water – the same thing)

http://heartspring.net/water_clinical_studies.html

Japanese video (English subtitles) on alkaline water research on animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGtQSgGkDgs

Alkaline Water and Diabetes – Dr Robert Young

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MBLKX7q94

Potassium Bicarbonate Reduces Urinary Nitrogen Excretion in Postmenopausal Women  (muscle wasting from acidosis)

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/1/254

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ghg, thank you for the pain having assembled all this!

As far as I am concerned, I feel there is too much controversy on using (expensive) water ionizers or buying alkaline water and wait for more studies coming up. You might find interesting THIS article ("Ionized" and alkaline water, Snake oil on tap) pointing to some chemistry and making me cautious on the huge marketing hype.

Of course, I try eating a balanced diet, my vegetables, my avocados, using lemon in my drinks, good mineral and tap water, banning sodas etc ...

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Albedo,

I have that link also, but I didn't post it. There are similar links on quackwatch.org Not wanting to stir up a controversy, I didn't post those.. I have observed over the years, that anything that interferes with more profit of big Pharma is 'fought' by the establishment (in the United States).. Many things that make us live longer, better our health, reduce medical care are 'bad' for the establishment.
Bill Faloon fought with the FDA (which is made up of 'establishment' guys) for years, and won!

Things like colloidal silver, alkaline water, and even precious metals are 'bad' for the establishment, so they will fight them.. These tend to be 'illegal' to sell on Ebay, and are impeded elsewhere...

When you see things on quackwatch.org and other 'snake oil' type sites they can be split
into two groups:
1) things that really work, but are 'bad' for the establishment
2) things that are really snake oil and don't work or are scams.

The user has to do their own research to figure these out.

ON the alkaline water, myself and friends are now starting to see benefits around week 5 and 6.  Friends are having more energy, losing lots of weight (they are in Irvingia+LEF fish oil and lost lots of weight, then leveled off), and the alkaline water seems to have restarted it. Ones with 'bad knees' are seeing inprovments there also.

I think the water electrolyzers/ionizers are way too expensive/scammy, and way over hyped/MLM'd, etc...Sang Whang bought one in the 90s and had his B.P. drop by week six, so no more BP meds for him after that.. He figured out that the water (or over all body pH) was the key, or more accurately, the body alkaline pH buffers (bicarbonates) are what really was responsible. THe water ionizer hype of 'negative ORP', small cluster size, etc, didn't really do anything, it was just the pH.

A $4,000 water ionizer might make sense for a hospital or a clinic, where lots of water is needed, but for the rest of us, taking potassium/sodium bicarbonate and testing urine with pH paper costs almost nothing.

The next (cost) level up (and more convienient) is to spend about $20/month for alkaline drops or bicarbonate pills from alkalife.com, which is still not too bad.

When I exercise by climbing six flights of stairs, by legs used to hurt on the last flight from lactic acid produced. Immediately after starting alkaline water, that pain went away, probably since excess (stored) acids in the muscles were reduced.

I hear some athletes do what is called 'soda doping' (taking lots of baking soda -
sodium bicarbonate) to help reduce (lactic) acid buildup from the exercise.

Sang Whang says, that over time, one should supplement with 3:1 ratio of potassium:sodium bicarbonates or hydroxides as that is what is typically in the blood.

One can also buy 'calcium hydroxide' which is also called 'pickling lime' and use that.  Calcium hydroxide is not very soluble in water, only about 1.5g dissolves per liter and makes a pH 12.3 solution. A tsp of that into 8 oz of water makes about a pH 10 drinking solution of alkaline water. That is slightly more work than pills or drops or bicarb powders, but would be a great way to get more calcium.
--ghg
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Proceed with caution in regard to the information from QuackWatch.org. Below is information from Tim Bolen, a consumer advocate who appears to have done a considerable amount of research on Barrett: I have no interest in Barrett or Bolen, I only post it here for your information.

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Before anyone jumps on the Q.W. bandwagon, go to the search engines and do your own research on QuackWatch and Barrett. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

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albedo, it sounds like you are quite knowedgable about this ph business and i would like to ask you a question. I have been giving it a try, alkalizing my drinking water to about a ph of 9.5 (using both baking soda and ph drops). and trying to eat more veggies with my meals. When i test my urine it is still very acidic most of the time. I have been doing this for about 2 weeks and i don't understand why my results are not changing. Do you have any thoughts on this?
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ihoward,

How much water do you drink per day? I don't mean a guess, but do you keep track of your water intake each day? First thing in the morning you should drink 2-3 cups of pure water before you eat or drink anything else. Throughout the day you need to make sure you're drinking enough. The guideline that I use is 1 cup per 20 pounds of normal body weight as the average and more if you're really active and/or sweat allot. Your body can be severely dehydrated even before thirst kicks in.
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