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 |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/6/2009 11:04 AM (GMT -5) |   | I'm attempting to stay in The Zone but without meat. My understanding is soy is the only protein containing all the essential amino acids. I wonder if I'm getting enough protein this way. I run a lot and lately have noticed much more muscle soreness post-workout. Also my chronic achilles tendinitis is acting up. I have my own ultrasound machine. I used it on my heel last night and today it's a lot more sore than the day before.
I'm trying a vegetarian Zone diet because of BPH. I don't know why but last night was the first time in weeks that I slept through the night without trips to the bathroom.
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 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/6/2009 3:50 PM (GMT -5) |   | | Hello kpo, there is a Dr Sears' book for vegetarians called The Soy Zone (2000). But If you avoid only meat, you have also fish. An antiinflamatory diet as Zone improves melatonin and GH release at night, for this many people feel their sleep is better as I have read in many people when they enter the Zone. To counteract soreness its useful using high dose of fish oil (omega-3 DHA from seaweed for a vegetarian) or an antiinflamatory like Zyflamend. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/6/2009 5:29 PM (GMT -5) |   | I'm not strictly a vegetarian. I don't mind fish but it's not always easy to get fresh fish 1000 miles from the nearest ocean. Often what's called "fresh fish" gives off an ammonia odor when cooked, meaning it wasn't fresh enough. I guess I can use canned tuna or canned salmon.
Thanks for the suggestion,
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 |  albedo Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 5/9/2009 8:45 PM (GMT -5) |   | | As I eat quinoa, does someone know the block protein and carbs content. Could not find an easy answer and thought you might have it at hand ...me lazy,sorry! | | Back to Top | | |
  |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/11/2009 9:27 AM (GMT -5) |   | Hello albedo. Really THE ZONE is a fascinating book everyone interested simply in Health should read, #1 NYT in 1995. In fact, Zone is not another diet, is a scientific programm to defeat silent inflammation all your life everyday in every meal. about critics of the Zone really 10 and 15 years ago there were so so many, believe me. You can find critics of everything in internet, including the Zone. In "The Top 100 Zone Foods", written in 2001, (and in some Sears' articles) Dr Sears begin speaking about fire of criticism over the Zone in its first years and how many of early critics later accepted the logic of the Zone. In general all doctors who recommend a diet very very low in fat or high in carbs is against Zone principles. Nowadays I think Dr Ornish diet for heart disease is very ridiculous since he believes everyone should consume LESS than 10% calories from fat, but how you can defeat silent inflammation with no good fats? I can understand why Dr Ornish (hardly criticized in THE ZONE book) cannot admit what he thought 20 years ago no has much sense reading studies today.
Also, in "Mastering the Zone" (1997) (a specific and practical book about almost only blocks system, grams, balance of meals), you have a not very long chapter titled "What the critics say". I am now remembering a Dr Sears' article of 1998: "The Evolution of Truth."
"The 19th century German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said that all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. The concept of the Zone is a new idea. It has gone through its ridicule stage, and now has entered the violent reaction phase, as many mainstream and backwoods nutritionists use the most outrageous untruths to bash the concept of the Zone. Why such a violent reaction? Because the concept of food as a hormonal control agent disrupts the carefully constructed nutritional fiefdoms built over the past 20 years by the nutritional establishment. What good bureaucrat is going to stand up and stay “I was wrong”? Not only wrong, but inadvertently decreased the quality of life for millions of Americans in the process. The Zone threatens to take away their livelihood. I would also feel threatened if I were in their shoes. But I am not. For many years I labored out in the scientific wilderness discussing with anyone who cared to hear not only about the dangers of excess insulin and the resulting overproduction of bad eicosanoids as the underlying cause of heart disease, but also about how food could reverse those factors. The fact that more than two million of my books on the Zone have been sold indicates that a growing percentage of the American public is paying attention to this message. The fact that people are also beginning to question the “wisdom” of the government’s nutritional policies is a pretty good reason for the violent reaction. How dare the average person tell our nutritional leaders (usually self-appointed) that their recommended low-fat, high-carbohydrate diets are simply not working! Fortunately, more and more of my colleagues are beginning to come to the same conclusions that I did more than a decade ago. As more of them come to the same understanding, then the concept of the Zone will become self-evident with most (including the more voracious critics of Zone) saying their previous statements were simply misunderstood by an ignorant public. Oh, well, that’s why they are good bureaucrats. They know when to change positions with the shift of the wind." | | Back to Top | | |
 |  albedo Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 5/11/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  albedo Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 5/12/2009 4:09 PM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/12/2009 4:26 PM (GMT -5) |   | | albedo, this critical study was made in 2001. In 2005 Joslin Diabetes Center of Harvard adopted Zone Diet as his official diet. That Zone does not improve athletic performance makes me laugh seeing other studies and Zone success in athletic world. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/13/2009 1:13 PM (GMT -5) |   | I first tried the Zone in 1996 after hearing from runners who adopted it. It did not make me a better runner. On Sundays I would do a long run, typically 4-6 hours. I didn't get through the runs any quicker but I wasn't dead-tired the rest of the day either. I'm doing it again but not so dogmatically. I think I need a lot more carb than the books say. I'm doing it now for the antiinflammation aspect.
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 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/14/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -5) |   | [Published May 2009] We’re fighting the wrong pandemic
By Dr. Barry Sears
"We have been deluged with reports of the coming swine flu pandemic and the potential deaths of thousands, if not millions. Like any good bureaucratic action, the response has been “shoot, ready, aim”. So what are the real facts about swine flu? First, at least half the Mexicans who died from the “swine flu” never had the swine flu. Second, more than 12,000 Americans die from the flu every year. That’s more than 1,000 per month even after considering flu shots. With this as a backdrop, the World Health Organization (WHO) has called for a costly mobilization against this coming epidemic. The U.S. government has committed $1.5 billion (about 5 percent of the total annual money spent on medical research) to combat this “pandemic” and also to make millions of doses of a specific vaccine (that will take at least six months to make and that will go to market without any testing) all in the fear that another 1918 flu pandemic that took millions of lives is on the way. Unfortunately, no one seems to have read an article in last year’s Journal of Infectious Diseases (2008 Oct. 1;198(7):962-70) that indicated that the millions of deaths in the 1918 flu pandemic were not due to the flu but caused by bacterial pneumonia. As the head of the National Institutes of Infective Diseases, Dr. Antony Fauci, said, “In essence, the virus landed the first blow while bacteria delivered the knockout punch.” Since Dr. Fauci is also the head of the government’s AIDS program, one might have asked him if he would like to take $1.5B out of the HIV research budget to make vaccines for a strain of flu that has caused nowhere near the predicted death rates projected by the media. There is a world-wide pandemic that no one seems concerned about. This is the pandemic of toxic fat (i.e. excess arachidonic acid) and the spread of silent inflammation. Ground zero for this epidemic is the heartland of America where we have the largest producers of the cheap refined carbohydrates and cheap refined vegetable oils. Put these two food ingredients together, and you have the Perfect Nutritional Storm. This means literally millions of people suffering from early mortality due to diabetes, heart disease and cancer. Too bad this pandemic doesn’t get any media notice as well as a rapid response from bureaucrats, especially those in the Department of Agriculture." | | Back to Top | | |
 |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/14/2009 12:50 PM (GMT -5) |   | I wondered how so many could die in the 1918 flu. Then reading this it hit me, a kind of "duh!' moment. In my veterinary practice I see a lot of respiratory disease. In young animals it's always viral and localised to the upper respiratory tract: sinuses, throat and upper bronchi. And is never fatal unless the virus overwhelms the immune system and secondary bacterial invaders migrate to the lungs themselves. And in these cases so long as antibiotics are started soon enought, they still survive. So as long as the antibiotic supplies hold out, there shouldn't be the massive deaths that occured in 1918. Another factor could be diet. In 1918 I imagine few people were overweight. If anything, most probably had undernutrition. That's not the case these days. Even if the virus lasted months, most people have enough fat stores for the body to live off while the body generates antibodies.
But the hysteria has reached our little corner. I was in a restaurant a few days ago. At a nearby table the patron was paying with cash. But he sneezed while holdling the money and handed it to the waitress. She jumped back and screamed, "I'M NOT TOUCHING THAT!"
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  |  Tom Registered Member
       Date Joined Jul 2006 Total Posts : 965 | Posted 5/14/2009 6:59 PM (GMT -5) |   | SpainEurope,
Dr. Sears talks about the relationship between food and hormones. Does Dr. Sears say anything about food and IGF-1? | | Back to Top | | |
 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/14/2009 7:37 PM (GMT -5) |   | | Yes Tom. If you are interested, in THE ANTI-AGING ZONE book, Dr Sears talks widely about IGF-1 for example in chapter 21 where he explains Growth Hormone from his perspective of dietary modulation of hormones. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  albedo Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 5/21/2009 11:19 AM (GMT -5) |   |
Looking for scientific critics I found this article:
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/reprint/22/1/9.pdf
While scientifically critic, there are fundamental points of agreement. There are differences but also similarities between “diets” or better “nutritional lifestyles”. Sears himself points to this when he expresses his belief that in the word of nutrition nobody is really wrong!
I report parts of the article sometimes with a (comment). I underline what I feel should be answered by experts and I am curious to know:
“… With regard to body weight control, any weight loss experienced by adherents to the Zone Diet prescription (40/30/30) is easily explained by the severe energy restriction of the diet (Table 1) rather than enhanced fat metabolism resulting from manipulations in the dietary P:C….”
“To conclude, there is no evidence that a 0.75 P:C (40/30/30), whether eaten as a small test meal or in the form of a complete mixed diet, reduces the insulin response when compared to traditional dietary guideline food intakes and may even potentially produce a larger area under the insulin curve…”
(a real critic which should be answered by experts)
“…The Zone Diet recommendation to supplement with omega-3 fatty acids (specifically EPA or fish oil) and progenitor series-1 eicosanoid homologues of AA (GLA/DGLA) is not novel..”
(I find this unfair as Sears actually does not seem to favor a GLA/DGLA supplementation but rather EPA)
“… The Zone classification of eicosanoids as “bad” or “good” based on receptor binding or on gross physiological functions is oversimplified, but the recommendation to supplement the diet with omega-3 fatty acids or progenitors of series-1 eicosanoids has some documented health merit…”
(it looks to me a critic not in content but just on the way to present concepts in his divulgation books; there is a fundamental agreement here!)
“.. Therefore, a smaller insulin and larger glucagon release accompanying a low carbohydrate, high protein diet would result in greater omega-6 desaturation to GLA (more active _6 enzyme) and less DGLA desaturation to AA (less active _5 enzyme), thus producing more series-1 and less series-2/4 eicosanoids (Fig. 3). However, this explanation ignores scientific findings to the contrary…”
(a real critic which should be answered by experts)
“ Pharmaceutical interventions targeted at occupying omega-6 eicosanoid receptor sites or decreasing the rate of omega-6, series-2/4 eicosanoid synthesis (e.g., aspirin), coupled with dietary changes that increase omega-3 fatty acid intakes and/or reduce omega-6 fatty acid intakes represent the only scientifically sound approach to ameliorating many of the chronic health disorders linked to excessive omega-6, series- 2/4 eicosanoid signaling [45,65,86]...”
(isn’t this what Sears fundamentally says in The Anti Inflammation Zone? E.g. for the aspirin-triggered lipoxins eicosanoids?)
“..This review illustrates the complexity of nutrition misinformation perpetrated by some popular press diet books. A closer look at the science behind the claims made for the Zone Diet reveals nothing more than a modern twist on an antique food fad…” Post Edited (albedo) : 5/21/2009 11:31:04 AM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/21/2009 4:04 PM (GMT -5) |   | I read this critic review of Zone years ago.
about that a 40 30 30 diet does not reduce insulin response is so hard to hear nowadays. First, it's known than high carb diet increase insulin response and a very low carb diet is not good fpr metabolism. A 40/30 carbs/protein % is not high but not low.
Remember 40 30 30 is a general Zone, everyone should reach his personal zone of carbs/protein ratio.
Look at Joslin Diabetes Center ofiicial recommendations of a 40 30 30 diet. They are in fact the experts in Harvard Medical School about insulin response.
http://www.joslin.org/Files/Nutrition_Guideline_Graded.pdf | | Back to Top | | |
 |  albedo Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 5/22/2009 9:17 AM (GMT -5) |   | Thank you SpainEurope to share this article with us. It looks very interesting and will read in detail.
In any case, even if too early to say, the Zone seems working well for me. Yesterday I had two hours walking with family in the forest and later in the day did >1 km swimming. I could go on for another km ... so, be it in my mind or in the Zone of whatever (fundamentally i do not care) I feel more energetic and well these days .... I think Terry Grossman said once that life is not a double blind, randomized, placebo controlled trial ... and I feel we need to find our own way to health based on studying and testing carefully. I am definitively not delegating my health to the health care system or even my doctor (but I am trying to discuss with him). I also believe, as somebody else said (Holford?) our heath care system is the "fastest growing failing business" so ...
I am just finishing the Anti Inflammatory Zone and look fwd to the The Anti Aging Zone which is really what I am interested in most. | | Back to Top | | |
  |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/26/2009 7:10 PM (GMT -5) |   | I can attest to the effects of going OFF the Zone diet. I have been a long distance runner for 25 years. I tried the Zone diet after reading the first book back in 1989 or 1990. Eventually I got tired of the measuring, trying to balance proteins and carbs. Since developing BPH I've gone back to it for the antiinflammation effect. Three weeks ago I went back to my old runner's diet: carbs for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The diet was probably 85% carb and 15% protein. I was preparing for a race and wanted to refil the glycogen storage, what runners call 'carb loading'. The race was Sunday. I've done this particular race a dozen times. This time was my worst finish ever. I was slow from the beginning and got slower as the day went on. It was a cold day and I never seemed to warm up. At the end I was no longer running, but walking slowly instead. Today I've got several canker sores. These are painful blisters on my cheeks and gums. I've had them off-and-on since I was a teenager. I stopped having them back when I was trying the Atkins diet. Since going back to the Zone diet I haven't had them. But going back to the runner's diet, now I've got several stinging my mouth. I think the sores are caused by too much carbohydrate in the diet. Or possibly wheat allergy since bread is a staple for runners. For whatever reason. they weren't a problem when I was limiting carbs by cutting out wheat and replacing them with vegetables. I have another race in two weeks. Hopefully I'll be okay by then but regardless, I won't carb loading with bread or pasta again.
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 |  kaypeeoh Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2009 Total Posts : 266 | Posted 5/26/2009 7:23 PM (GMT -5) |   | I was distracted at work and sent the message before it was done. I wanted to add that the LACK of vegetables from the past couple weeks has led to uncomfortable constipation. I don't know if there's a connection but all this bread and pasta is quite pro-inflammatory. And since the race I've been needing to pee every couple hours, even at night. Some of that may be from the inflammation the race caused. I will stick to the Zone diet in preparation for the next race and see whether it helps.
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  |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 5/27/2009 9:27 AM (GMT -5) |   | | | |
 |  SpainEurope Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2008 Total Posts : 571 | Posted 6/3/2009 4:14 PM (GMT -5) |   | Very interesting news: "At MedWell, we understand that obesity and its associated conditions, such as diabetes, are not caused by lack of willpower. They are a consequence of your diet interacting adversely with your genes. The result is a decrease in satiety, which causes a corresponding increase in hunger. You can’t change your genes, but you can change their expression by your diet. The MedWell 1-2-3 program, based on the principles of the Zone diet, makes that a reality by increasing satiety, which is the lack of hunger. If you aren’t hungry, then cutting back on calories is easy. Unless you can maintain satiety, you will never achieve permanent weight loss."
New brand of Dr Sears with all kind of "fast food" or junk "food but" with Zone balance and healthy ingredients!
http://www.medwell123.com/ Post Edited (SpainEurope) : 6/3/2009 4:26:12 PM (GMT-4) | | Back to Top | | |
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