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|  January Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 31 | Posted 1/13/2008 6:33 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Hi, I just started using BHT for hep C and wondered if anyone knew if using coconut oil together with BHT was ok? Does anyone have any experience with the two? Thanks. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  DDye Forum Moderator
       Date Joined Jan 2002 Total Posts : 422 | Posted 1/13/2008 6:34 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Do you mean coconut oil to dissolve the BHT in? | | Back to Top | | |
  |  mbn_van-bc Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 950 | Posted 1/17/2008 11:35 AM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
 |  January Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 31 | Posted 1/21/2008 12:19 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Why? Because like herpes and the virus that causes Newcastle disease is lipid-enveloped, i.e., its nucleic acid core is sheathed in a fatty membrane. "Viruses of this type require an intact membrane to be infective. BHT seems to work against such viruses by disrupting (“fluidizing”) their viral membranes." "In addition to these anecdotal reports, a number of studies published over the years have confirmed the activity of BHT against many different human and animal viruses, including such members of the herpes family as CMV or cytomegalovirus 5 and pseudorabies 6 as well as genital herpes (The Delano Report) also mentioned here at http://www.advance-health.com/bht.html | | Back to Top | | |
 |  mbn_van-bc Registered Member
       Date Joined Dec 2006 Total Posts : 950 | Posted 1/22/2008 11:39 AM (GMT -4) |   | | In vivo or vitro? This substance may well do the same thing to your membranes. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  January Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 31 | Posted 1/22/2008 4:09 PM (GMT -4) |   | | What is your basis for that remark? My experience and as the research suggests, is that it's so far cleared an ongoing persistant infection up where nothing worked. Hep c is attacks the immune system. Having it for as long as I've had unaware I'm only learning now how to assist my body better. But this has been demonstrated with others and hey, what a nice surprise just after two weeks. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  emptyhead Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 4 | Posted 1/29/2008 4:53 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Hey January, please keep me up to date on your progress. I've read good things about bht & coconut oil also. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  January Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 31 | Posted 1/31/2008 10:38 AM (GMT -4) |   | | Hi there. You know I've had a dull ache in my groin just prior to taking the BHT...similar to the sciatic nerve and this finally left after nearly a month.
I had read where people were given tests in regard to arthritis (which many with hep c complain about) where folks were taken off dairy for a period of time then when the inflamation stopped, they were then overloaded with cheese, milk ect...for which the joint pain all returned (part of the test).
Well for the last few years especially, I increasingly became weaker in the left wrist -but generating from my shoulder/neck besides lower back. It's felt just as if I broke it...same kind of pain. I mean I've been walking around like this just nagging the hell out of me. You think things like, "I can't believe this...I'm falling apart!" Finally I saw a doctor then had xrays taken (not of the wrist). I was diagnosed with degenerative arthritis in my neck. They said it was a nerve putting pressure sending the pain down the shoulder to my arm. I saw a physical therapist and basically learned some techniques and exercises I could continue at home for the shoulder and back. Well, everythings been a chore and I believed I'd never ever be normal because the pain as just remained...no matter what exercises I've done to eleviate it.
Now, up until last week, I had been using half and half for my couple cups of coffee in the morning for years- back when I had an espresso maker. I use sour cream, real butter, not as much cheese as I used to but yes, I do love cheese. SOOO, I thought I'd give it a try and just knock it all out and see what happens. I'm using soy creamer (not going crazy with soy) but just somthing where I could still enjoy my coffee.
Results: I can sleep through the night with no pain and that wrist pain is gone! I am blown away cause honestly, I didn't think that was going to be the case....So, I'm very encouraged and figure the more I can assist my body/liver (being overloaded as it's been) with the BHT and oil, the faster I can recover! Just thought I'd share this. | | Back to Top | | |
   |  DDye Forum Moderator
       Date Joined Jan 2002 Total Posts : 422 | Posted 1/31/2008 3:04 PM (GMT -4) |   | | You might want to look up some of the abstracts retrieved when searching such terms as "BHT liver toxicity" on medline http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed . This might give you more information concerning whether the risk incurred at the dose you plan to use is worth any possible benefit. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  January Registered Member
       Date Joined Jan 2008 Total Posts : 31 | Posted 1/31/2008 8:40 PM (GMT -4) |   | | | |
 |  George D. Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 82 | Posted 2/7/2008 12:09 PM (GMT -4) |   | | Does anyone know how much iron is in Liv 52? There is 66 mg Mandur Bhasma which is iron treated with natural juices. But how much Fe is in this? Any extra Fe in HCV is too much; unless this is homeopathic, I'll avoid it.
The coconut oil is a good idea, as is lactoferrin, but Foster nutrients (selenium, tryptophan, cysteine, glutamine) with C, E, a multi (iron free) silymarin and alpha-lipoic acid (Berkson protocol) seem to completely reverse all HCV symptoms and normalise LFTs - took me 3-4 years. Add extra methylation factors - B12, B6 folate, SAMe - if you're really sick.
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 |  George D. Registered Member
       Date Joined Feb 2008 Total Posts : 82 | Posted 2/10/2008 10:01 PM (GMT -4) |   | If you get relief from using BHT, perhaps this is due to its antioxidant activity. In which case I have to ask what oether antioxidants you have tried/are taking. Topcopherol (vitamin E) is the main antioxidant protecting cell membranes. Ascorbate (bitamin C) is the predominant antioxidant in plasma (outside cells). Glutathione (from cysteine, methionine, or NAC) is the main antioxidant inside cells, except for the mitochondria, where it is manganese SOD (an antioxidant enzyme). Retinol (from beta-carotene) is a major antioxidant in the eye and some other specialised tissues. Many minerals play a role in antioxidant enzymes: selenium is the most important in HCV.
Some antioxidants - alpha-lipoic acid, astaxanthin, melatonin - can reduce (reactivate) the others nonenzymatically. Alpha lipoic acid increases levels of E, C, glutathione, if their dietary intake is adequate. HCV decreases levels of all antioxidants and antioxidant enzymes. Supplementing antioxidants, with related minerals and B complex vitamins, reverses symptoms of HCV infection and reduces viral load.
Iron accumulates in HCV infection and becomes a pro-oxidant (as may copper). Reducing iron levels (and perhaps copper) is an important antioxidant and antiinflammatory therapy. Using BHT while leaving antioxidant depletion otherwise untreated might produce good results at first, but it is hard to see how they can be maintained. The safe metabolisation of BHT depends on nutrients likely to be depleted by HCV.
Also, antioxidants that quench free radicals need to pass them along to other antioxidants; it's a tag team, you can't just use lots of one if the others are low. The enzymes are as important, so you need lots of protein with Bs and minerals. For there to be a magic bullet, single-ingredient cure for HCV, the rules of biochemistry would have to be suspended. But you can get as near as dammit to a cure if you respect the complexity of the situation. You can certainly become symptom-free and live a long productive life with the virus coming along for the ride. Have you tried Berkson's triple antioxidant protocol? This uses a broad-spectrum mixture of natural antioxidants like I've described. Works for me. It's compatible with coconut oil, of course. You can read Berkson's paper here http://www.allinone-nutrition.com/6.html | | Back to Top | | |
 |  oscarguy Registered Member
       Date Joined Apr 2006 Total Posts : 568 | Posted 4/30/2008 10:23 AM (GMT -4) |   | | BHT works, after all these years some people are listening. Hep-C is a deadly disease. I " had hep-C " and no longer do. This is according to what the VA in Boston and Syracuse have told me, NOT MY OPINION. ...Oscar | | Back to Top | | |
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